150 points map tab bollocks BONUS: Fragment tab is 75 points, totaling at 22,5$!

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DivineChampion wrote:

And i have no idea why you keep whining about spending $15 with that amount of support titles near your nickname.


Because instead of trying to understand what I wrote and actually addressing my point you are finding yourself reasons not to. Me supporting GGG has nothing to do with what this thread is about.
In short: I can afford to buy it, but I'm not everyone. PoE is marketed as free to play, fair game, and selling 15$ is far from being that. In very short: it is not about me, so stop trying to do so.

Side note: I love how dude who is in complete denial is called de99ial. Oh, the iron. :D
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Last edited by Perq#4049 on Jan 13, 2018, 11:18:06 AM
Can someone weigh in on how many tabs are available without Season tabs in Diablo 3 wrt the cost of the game/expansions. A USD per tab figure would be much appreciated. I'm not on either side of this debate. I feel I'd rather pay for what I need than just pay and get what is given. However, a cost of game per tab given could possibly lean me into a particular viewpoint. Thanks in advance to whoever takes the time to do it for me.
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Perq wrote:
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DivineChampion wrote:

And i have no idea why you keep whining about spending $15 with that amount of support titles near your nickname.


Because instead of trying to understand what I wrote and actually addressing my point you are finding yourself reasons not to. Me supporting GGG has nothing to do with what this thread is about.
In short: I can afford to buy it, but I'm not everyone. PoE is marketed as free to play, fair game, and selling 15$ is far from being that. In very short: it is not about me, so stop trying to do so.

Side note: I love how dude who is in complete denial is called de99ial. Oh, the iron. :D


Yeah common mistake you are doing. [Removed by Support]

Second:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2070031

Apperantly game is in fact FREE to play.
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AAaaaand lets play the guessing game for fragment tab. I'll go with 15$. Because it was so impossible to make and there were so many changes needed to make it happen.

And also of course they could make it so that fragments actually stack in regular tabs. To, say, 10. They could, but they don't want to, because you might as well throw some more hot $$$ at them, because they so deserve it. And yet again there will people who will get orgasmic about it, praising GGG for it.
Meanwhile GGG will happily wear its Ethical MTX Hat™.

I also love how Chris dodges the question of fragments stacking by changing the subject:

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Ziz: That's something that will also stack if you don't have the tab, right?

Chris: We're intending that they stay exactly as they currently are elsewhere, so you can't stack them in your inventory or regular tabs. They stack within this new tab. That's basically the purpose of someone buying the tab is that they then get the ability to have a one-stop-shop for all of their fragments. I have heard the feedback from players wanting the ability to control click the items into the stash and have it automatically work out what tab these go in.


Sorry Chris, but we don't care about the other feature. Why are fragments not stacking if you can do it easily? Why do you intend for them to work like they used to, when you are introducing yet another thing you buy with real money, offering more and more advantage for people who buy them?
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So salty, less qq please...some of us like nice things.
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Well, that is a one-liner I haven't seen ever. Sure as hell contributes to a discussion and explains your point of view, and totally isn't just a ad hominem to avoid dealing with actual arguments.
Right?

And yes, people like nice things. All of them, including those who don't buy overpriced junk in allegedly free to play "ethical" game. So try focusing for a second and understand what I'm actually talking about instead of going in with one-liners that contribute to the problem.
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Last edited by Perq#4049 on Jan 15, 2018, 3:48:28 AM
it is possible to be a complete freeloader, you just need to vendor some extra crap that still won't sell and you probably will never use.

Vendor the shit maps <= 9. Only keep the good div cards. Use up the frags in maps.

If you really want to load up on junk, use mules.

It's painful, but you can make it work. Is it optimal? No.
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GraydingEarJames wrote:
it is possible to be a complete freeloader, you just need to vendor some extra crap that still won't sell and you probably will never use.

Vendor the shit maps <= 9. Only keep the good div cards. Use up the frags in maps.

If you really want to load up on junk, use mules.

It's painful, but you can make it work. Is it optimal? No.


You can't just vendor maps like that anymore. There is Elder/Shaper thingy going on, meaning you have to keep a stock of every single map, or you're missing out. If you are not keeping small div cards, you're, again, missing out on those small cards. You could say that someone who has card tab simply gets extra currency/items because they bought the tab. So, in a way, they are buying those extras in price of the tab. Yes, you still have to get those cards, but this is no different to some sort of exp boost - you still have to play, but you'll get more out of playing.

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
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Perq wrote:
I've said this is news thread, I'm gonna say it again here:

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150 points...

15$.

Ok, this is just stupid. At this point you can't really say that you are not offering pay2win.

You've added another metric shitton of maps and other garbage to clog the stash tabs, and now you are asking 15$ for a thing that should be part of the game from the very start.

I'm disappointed. This thing should be 50 points AT BEST. You're already pushing it too far with how many special stash tabs there are.


Add stash tabs for f2p players already. You are adding so many special tabs that it is harder and harder to say that you are offering no advantage for paying players.

This is what those fee-or-wait type of shitty mobile games are doing - they are testing your patience. They are tunneling into buying convenience, because sooner or later you will get tired of the bullshit they are trying to pull off.

With no premium stash tab trading it was a fair point to use. Nowadays, we have so much junk clogging our stash tabs that I'd say using the no advantage for money is bollocks. There are so many specialized stash tabs now that not having them makes the game tiresome to play.

Let me list the bare minimum you need now to be able to play in a somewhat tolerable fashion:
- one premium stash tab for trading 40 points
- currency stash tab 75 points
- divination cards stash tab 50 points
- map stash tab 150 points

That is total of 315 points for bare minumum. THAT IS 31$. That is hardly free. And remember that 15$ of those 31$ is one goddamn stash tab that should be part of the base game.

But of course now you cannot change map stash tab price because you have already released it and some people actually bought it.

For the record, I have tons of stash tabs and I have spent way too much money on PoE. I'm unwilling to spend anything else until PoE turns back into actual ethical and fair game which can be played for free. The fee-or-wait bollocks that GGG is doing is going too far. Heck, arguably even lootboxes that exploit gambling addiction is going too far for some people...


As an big time supporter, owner of many tabs and having purchased over 1000 boxes by now in total, all I can say to this thread is: No.

No, it is not bollocks that GGG sells their tabs at the price they do, it isn't even unreasonable. It's their game, their content, their prices. You can sit here and cry about it all day, every day, wouldn't change a thing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Voting with your wallet is a much better way to stop a business practice than with your voice.

No, it is not unethical to sell boxes the way they do, as they are not your run-of-the-mill RNG loot boxes. There are value propositions in play that are actually completely fair and ALWAYS in favour of the buyer. The only time where value is lost is with duplicates, which is 1. at buyer discretion and 2. subjective. If I get 16 duplicate pets or hideout decorations, I don't get upset, because I can use them for my hideout. Others might disagree. If I don't like the contents of the box, I don't buy them. Simple as that. Again, a much better way to criticize something than ranting on a forum.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
I'm a supporter too, this doesn't change or prove anything. That bit was pointless. If anything, it proved that you cannot stop yourself from buying way too many loot boxes. But, if you'd read what I'm actually talking about in my OP (the one you quoted and, I'm sure, read), you should know that it isn't about loot boxes. And to be honest, I don't have much problem with them, given they are really cosmetic only.
As a side note, I'd love to notice that you seem to be projecting some sort of regret about buying those boxes, and even if the thread is not about it, you're trying to make it so. That is not my point nor problem, so please address what is actually discussed.

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No, it is not bollocks that GGG sells their tabs at the price they do, it isn't even unreasonable. It's their game, their content, their prices. You can sit here and cry about it all day, every day, wouldn't change a thing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Voting with your wallet is a much better way to stop a business practice than with your voice.


It is also feedback forum where I can give them feedback about stuff I don't like. And if you think you can't change a thing with words - why are you even bothering writing all this? Or other 1500 posts? If you genuinely believe that you cannot change anything with words, wouldn't that include my opinion about this? And your own post?
I mentioned that I won't be supporting GGG until they say something about this. So my voting already started.
And lastly, would you be saying the same old (and honestly, dumb) it's their game, their content, their prices if they decided to include currency items in the MTX shop, after you've spent so much on the game? Would you just stop playing it?
That shouldn't be to hard to answer, but I'm wondering what can you come up with.
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