New Skill and Support Gem Interactions

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kapin77 wrote:
Melee players just need a skill that 1 hit 2 screens away, thats why they love being melee

Melee only needs to be nigh on immortal so they can properly wade through swarms of enemies instead of getting overwhelmed like chumps.
"Into the Labyrinth!
left step, right step, step step, left left.
Into the Labyrinth!"
Can someone enlighten me as to how Volley is any different from GMP/LMP other than trajectory? And ultimately if that's the only difference, is there really any point in it?

I'm confused, I mean shit, it looks awesome but I feel like I'm missing the point, we have additional projectile skill gems. Is there another interaction I've missed?

Sire of shards
Frostbolt + Spell Echo + GMP + Spell Cascade + Spell Totem
2x Frozen Trail
Hierophant, Soul Mantle, Ancestral Bond keystone
= ???
Last edited by DNOnnie on Nov 28, 2017, 6:47:47 AM
Volley still looks kinda gross unfortunately. Eugh.

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devilmz wrote:
Can someone enlighten me as to how Volley is any different from GMP/LMP other than trajectory? And ultimately if that's the only difference, is there really any point in it?

The coverage of Volley is much, much better than GMP's. You can actually hit things that are to the side of the initial target, and you don't lose range by virtue of not firing at an angle. There's no point in running GMP Incinerate unless the Damage penalty on Volley is twice as high.
Last edited by Vipermagi on Nov 28, 2017, 6:46:30 AM
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Kek_is_love wrote:
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sidtherat wrote:


ive been playing melee since .9.2whatever, the only melee skill i havent made a lvl90+ char is viper strike

and after experiencing spell builds in last 2 patches i can say: melee is uncompetetive on each and evey level

while Sunder is bonkers it is just nothing when compared to stuff like Frostbolt/Freezing Pulse + free GMP threshold jewels. then there is the survivability problem - reason why Ancestral Warchief is so popular.

sure, the entry level is easy - there is 1c unique for each slot, baseline survivability is pretty ok but once you try to maximize all three: clear, survivability, single target you just cannot beat wanders, archers or spellcasters

melee might have been 'strong'. problem is that in current state 'strong' is the lowest possible level of strength

btw - there are no patch notes - but you can check new supports and compare them to Ancestral Whatever. and draw your own conclusions. is the gimmick +2 targets comparable to +screen support gems like Cascade?
I just can't find much logic in words of ppl who on one hand whine about melee having slow clearspeed compared to rangers and casters and on another complain, that BF is not ethically melee skill. Yea, game went into overkill damage sanic clearspeed meta, but that's just rangers and casters who are too strong. Melee skills kinda specified for either clear speed(term est flicker, cyclone) or for insane boss dmg(zerker or ascendant BF). Wander got to have a few mirror worth of gear to compete with decent BF char's single target damage.



GGG wont nerf ranged playstyle. they 'bought' players by handing out the free power for years now, there is no turning back.

and it is true - there wont be any sensible balance without SERIOUS ranged nerfs. these wont happen. sad thing is - melee buffs are nowhere to be seen. auto targeting melee has is STILL worse than what Diablo 2 (TWO) had. most bosses are melee-unfriendly, heck some seem to be designed with only standoff gameplay in mind. new uniques - these interesting ones - are non-melee

and clearspeed.. Kinetic Blast with 1c items in each slot WIPES THE FLOOR with any melee setup you name with any gear you name. it is non-comparable (flicker while good cannot be controled so you pray rather than play). Vaal Power Siphon is even more bonkers


your opinion on the only melee support gem so far, the Ancestral Whatever? the gem that they they seem to themselves deem filler because they decided to not include in this preview post?
there are 8 new gems. 1 has been ignored. which one and why?
Last edited by sidtherat on Nov 28, 2017, 6:56:27 AM
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DNOnnie wrote:
Sire of shards
Frostbolt + Spell Echo + GMP + Spell Cascade + Spell Totem
2x Frozen Trail
Hierophant, Soul Mantle, Ancestral Bond keystone
= ???


It would be cool if used with Spell Totem + Ice Nova.
But unfortunately only 1 cast of Nova will be procured, and not from all Frostbolt projectiles.

I am wandering if make otherwise?
Many spell totems with Ice Nova, and 1 Frostbolt from which tens of Ice Nova's will be procured!
Common GGG, give us skill gem with a long range and large aoe with a base damage like ice crash , a reverse ground slam a falling rock when we hit the ground! Or make melee splash works on every melee skill gem?! Common common common gives us some fun. Caster ain't fun for me even thier superior and viable on many ways.
Last edited by 2pher on Nov 28, 2017, 8:37:59 AM
Are you doing any changes to traps and the Saboteur ascendancy class at all?
I surely hope so, been too long that you left those as is / in a rather sad state.
All the complain i see is unresolvable, mélée demand clearspeed with no extended range (because it would not be true mélée anymore).
Do you realise what you ask? do you even know what you want?

That said, i agree that they should be a direct link between the risk taken by the player and the damage output; and we'll all agree that melee is the most dangerous place to be.

So in my mind melee should allways outdamage range (with similar gear/build quality/viability) but clearspeed? not a chance.

And as range have all these nice chain/fork/etc that mele don't have, well it wouldn't be melee if it had it, no?

bonus Question: Is turning your Char into a living projectile count as melee?

To get back on topic, i like these new skills/skin, more options are allways nice.

PS: Hope i'm understandable, not a native english speaker.
If Spell Totem weren't garbo ...

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