Labs should not be mandatory.

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tl;dr:


GGG has to change the game asap, whenever someone demands it else they are a shit company...


Sure, what could possibly go wrong

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Orbaal wrote:

Same goes for your proposal to simply gift everyone Ascendancy points for free. Would be easy to do I agree. But thats not what GGG does. They want you to work your ass off. Thats the whole point of a grinding game. Otherwise they could also start dropping gg gear on certain levels - so you dont have to farm for it. You know, some people dont like farming...

You have to come up with a better proposal thats involving work, time and risk worth the reward.
And that will cost GGG time and money, which is why they most likely wont do it.

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Orbaal wrote:

What proposal?

Do you really think gifting Ascendancy points just for reaching a level is a solution that could stand in a game like this? Thats the most stupid nonsense I´ve read in a while here.


For your information:
A lot of the people here played the game when the lab didnt even exist and we still managed to beat the content. You do not need ascendancy points. You just want them badly for the power the provide - yet you refuse to put a little effort into it and spend an hour on unlocking and beating normal, cruel and merciless lab. One hour. Thats it. Not worth crying over, just do it and move on.

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OArchAngelO wrote:

ProfessorGanymede,

you're asking for ways this would hurt me personally?

Here's one: it completely trivializes one of the biggest rewards in the game.

This game is all about trying out stuff, grinding (remember the name of the company that made this game?), getting rewards, failing completely, starting over.

That is what grinding games are about.

You want to completely ruin one of the only pieces of content that almost every player wants to reap the rewards from.

While I don't have exact numbers (not employed by GGG), I am pretty certain that in comparison (this "in comparison" is important, don't take this out of context), almost no-one runs the pale court, vinktar square, atziri, uber-atiziri, and shaper.

You know why? Because the rewards aren't "worth" the effort in comparison to farming safely and just trading for the rewards whenever you want them.

Lab is one of the very few pieces of content that still has an actual value for nearly everyone, and you are definitely not forced to do it, or ascend, or whatever, just like you are definitely not forced to use x unique, or follow the meta, or whatever else you do not fancy doing.


You just want to ascend without the hassle, understandable, I don't really like the lab either, but I don't think there's another balanced way to do this without trivializing.

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

Trivializing content? So you are saying by giving you the option to bypass it it's trivialized for you because you aren't forced to do it?

This makes no sense to me. If you want to do hard content the content is still there. Someone not because forced to do it takes away from your experience of the hard content?

Would you say the same thing about being able to pay someone to "trivialize" Kitava? Ignoring the reward that you get from killing Kitava, what is the fundemental difference from paying someone to kill Kitava and paying someone to do labs for you?

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OArchAngelO wrote:

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

Trivializing content? So you are saying by giving you the option to bypass it it's trivialized for you because you aren't forced to do it?

This makes no sense to me. If you want to do hard content the content is still there. Someone not because forced to do it takes away from your experience of the hard content?

Would you say the same thing about being able to pay someone to "trivialize" Kitava? Ignoring the reward that you get from killing Kitava, what is the fundemental difference from paying someone to kill Kitava and paying someone to do labs for you?

As I've said, yes, you're trivializing ascendancy. It's not meant to be easy to get. Especially not the last points. The lab would become quite trivial as well, as you don't get the big reward anymore.

and, as I've said before in another post, paying someone for the kitava thing isn't the same, as you can COMPLETELY bypass it, while with lab you still have to do the "hard" part.

But yes, paying another playing to do the full kitava fight for you is actually trivializing the content.

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

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OArchAngelO wrote:

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ProfessorGanymede wrote:

Trivializing content? So you are saying by giving you the option to bypass it it's trivialized for you because you aren't forced to do it?

This makes no sense to me. If you want to do hard content the content is still there. Someone not because forced to do it takes away from your experience of the hard content?

Would you say the same thing about being able to pay someone to "trivialize" Kitava? Ignoring the reward that you get from killing Kitava, what is the fundemental difference from paying someone to kill Kitava and paying someone to do labs for you?

As I've said, yes, you're trivializing ascendancy. It's not meant to be easy to get. Especially not the last points. The lab would become quite trivial as well, as you don't get the big reward anymore.

and, as I've said before in another post, paying someone for the kitava thing isn't the same, as you can COMPLETELY bypass it, while with lab you still have to do the "hard" part.

But yes, paying another playing to do the full kitava fight for you is actually trivializing the content.

Is it that you think Kitava is worth having the option to trivialize because the reward is so great? Because being able to buy a Kitava kill definitely trivializes the fight. What's wrong with rushing to content you enjoy and bypassing the content you don't enjoy? IT's not like those other things aren't still there. Your complaint seems disjoined. It seems like you are complaining that hard content isn't mandatory, which causes you to take "efficient" routes that don't do them. That's your choice. You can still do them. You don't have to take the effecient route. But you have the OPTION to if that's how you want to play the game. What's wrong with giving me that option as well? Why shouldn't I have the option to choose the path I most enjoy while also giving you the option to choose the path you most enjoy?

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Dear lord...

At this point you're not even reading anymore man...

I have said 3 times already, but I'll say it real loud this time: BUYING A KITAVA KILL TRIVIALIZES THE CONTENT AS MUCH AS MAKING LAB OPTIONAL.

start to read again.

The reason I say so, in case you're actually interested, is that it locks away something.
Kitava locks away your access to maps, lab locks the access to ascendancy.

What's so hard to grasp about this?