A New Proposal for Addressing Labyrinth Hatred
" You might not be farming efficiently the lab then ( or it could be more efficient, if you know exactly where Argus is ). Unless you are only interested in enchants. " That is not true, if you run the lab not completely overleveling it, it gives a nice amount of xp, especially since the mob concentration is so high, it's very dense. Uber lab does give xp unless you're like 91+ or so, it's T8 level after all. " I know from experience, you can try if you're not convinced. Now I have not tried on a "The Beast Fur Shawl" based build, but there is no way that you can outregen a sawblade. If you are just running quickly through it it might not be lethal, however if you are walking with it, that's rip. Feel free to proove me wrong if you can. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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" I probably wouldnt run it if there would be no enchantments and no Deaths Door. Treasure keys are not efficient for getting Deaths Door and close to useless for getting enchants (they can drop Offering). They are more important early in league and I may hunt for them then but later on they have lost a lot of value. " My "no exp" is based on personal experience (I tested it actually) and consistent with what I have read from other people. And also consistent with the "just run through" recommendation generally given. There are 2 main reasons for that. 1) The kind of build/gear setup which is good for dealing with traps and Izaro is usually bad for dealing with the mobs in an efficient manner. This probably doesnt apply to all builds/setups. But all lab runner setups which I have used (quite a few) are like that. They are simply inefficient at killing mobs. 2) I pick a good day for farming. The number of runs I do is based on how much time I invest on that day. If I delay per killing mobs I will end up with fewer runs on a good layout. So lab being a "daily" thing leads to it not making much sense for going out of the way to kill mobs even if that would be efficient in terms of XP. " How much %regen and how many endurance charges did you have? You will need a lot. And Beast Fur is probably necessary. If you dont come close to the full setup it wont work obviously. " My point is that you would have to try to suicide in order to die with such a build. Accidentally walking with a trap will not rip you. Even on my current league life regen Pathfinder build/setup I can walk with trap without ripping as long as I have (24%) Basalt and all (8) endurance charges up. In practice I dont take noticable damage walking through trap areas even if I fumble and have to backtrack or sth. This setup is not idiot-proof though. Increased damage taken area is still dangerous. And flask + charges are necessary else I have to consider trap direction vs movement direction. " Maybe I will try after league end. Have most of the gear and a suitable build in non-SSF (also from SSF play though). No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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If you ignore most mobs, then of course the xp isn't good .... but that isn't specific to the lab, it's true everywhere.
And I am not speaking of full clearing the areas, just shooting the monsters on sight, without spending too much time doing it. I sometimes like wandering a bit too, that depends on the situation. " If you take an optimized lab running setup, then you will be really resistant of course, but I have no troubles believing that some players could still rip with it. Still, I hope that GGG will do something to reduce the "cheezing potential". SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on May 11, 2017, 5:51:02 AM
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" But that is the problem - at least for my lab runner setups: I simply cannot kill mobs fast with it. My current is somewhat efficient if there is a really large cluster (screen full including rare/magic) of mobs. But if I use something like single projectile chaos/poison ST (have used before) then this is futile. Even switching in GMP I still cant kill mobs fast enough to be worthwhile. Such a build can bring down Izaro fast but "cant kill" mobs. There are probably lab runner builds for which it is efficient to kill mobs "on the way" but so far I havent made one. Removal of double dipping may change that though. " Its always possible to "build a bigger idiot" than the most "idiot proof" build... And while my current Pathfinder build is good for lab its not made/optimized for lab. I would pick at least one more endurance charge and more %regen on the tree if I would want a specialized lab runner build. Forgot to mention: Leo reduced damage taken from DoT is important part of the "anti-lab CI ZO" build too. I dont have Leo so I have no access to it though. No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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You don't need a "lab runner" to run the lab.
A normal char runs the lab just fine, and is getting xp out of it without much troubles. That's the thing, if you are taking a character that cannot clear anything quickly, then it is not the lab that does not give good experience, it's more your character that cannt xp efficiently, and that will be even more true outside of the lab, likely. I forgot about the Leo mod tbh. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on May 11, 2017, 6:14:31 AM
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" Lab is (due to traps) far too dangerous for me to run it (repeatedly for loot) with a normal char. There are people who say they can do it but I am not one of them - neither saying nor doing. " I dont use the same skills/gear/setup in the lab as outside of the lab. Example: Pathfinder uses/used chaos/poison AWC (5link in coil) for lab with gear being focused on regen/charges/defenses. And EK totem in Soul Mantle (with Self Flagellation) for most mapping. Same build/passives, different gear, different skills used. No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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"True. I'd eat tons of vegetables to unlock desert though. But that meat is murder. "True. But keep in mind, regardless of what excuses people come up with to not eat meat - they don't really need an excuse. "I don't think getting AC points in the quickest fashion possible is what outspoken Lab haters want. It certainly isn't what I want. It doesn't need to be quick or easy - it just needs to be in another way than the one particular way that is possible now. This might be achieved by improving the Lab or by opening an alternative route to AC points. Online delenda est:
When the lifecycle of PoE will draw to an end many years from now, there needs to be a final patch making it available offline. |
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" But that does not change anything here : you are using a setup that cannot clear efficiently = you don't xp well, that's it. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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" If you see it that way then I dont know what your xp argumentation is about... No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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People hate the lab for many reasons. Players have to quit thinking that everyone is playing the game the same way they do or want the same things from the game that they want.
The problem with the lab is that there's no alternatives. |
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