[3.0] IMMORTAL Berserk, Mjolner Discharge, 4 links, Shaper/Uber Atziri/Ulab

Im currently lvl 92 with my discharger, 7k life, all gear except Death's Door (Using inyas), i still get oneshotted by minotaur and phoenix (I have a tough time dodging while cycloning)

Chimera and Hydra are deathless basically every time though. I really want to farm T16 and Shaper. Any help? (Tried shaper and failed on the first fight but didnt know of his mechanics)

Any pointes for these fights? i've tried farming Guardians for a couple of days now.

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nortx wrote:

@chilipino
maybe u are missing my jewels...
actually i have 86% for all res (85/80/84) without flask wise oak.

Testinng new SETUP for maximum DPS (6end/6pow)

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You're absolutely right. I did miss the jewels. I was able to Wise Oak myself last night (needed just one divine on my ring thank goodness). The annoying thing is that I go from 4.31 base aps to 4.74 when I take a hit (Crave the Slaughter) and then to 5.1 when I take a savage hit (Cloaked in Savagery). I think I'll have to drop my attack speed jewels so I don't overshoot the 4.5-4.7 aps sweet spot for 5 discharges/s.

Is your hypothesis that the Belt of the Deceiver is going to be better than The Flow Untethered in terms of sustained DPS due to the narrow window of APS required for Flow? My initial thought was a +1 endu Deceiver was going to be the best bang/buck.

EDIT: more words.

Loving the build so far. Just a quick question about the damage.
I have all the uniques (including flasks) except Kaom's. I'm only level 83 (about to be 84), Discharge is level 19 with a 19/20q Con. Destruction, but I still feel like my damage is severely lacking. I do not have any jewels yet, that's a work in progress, but even when I put it into Path of Building it doesn't scale my damage all that much. So I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, missed something, or just simply underestimating the damage scale of the jewels.

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chilipino wrote:

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nortx wrote:

@chilipino
maybe u are missing my jewels...
actually i have 86% for all res (85/80/84) without flask wise oak.

Testinng new SETUP for maximum DPS (6end/6pow)

Spoiler

You're absolutely right. I did miss the jewels. I was able to Wise Oak myself last night (needed just one divine on my ring thank goodness). The annoying thing is that I go from 4.31 base aps to 4.74 when I take a hit (Crave the Slaughter) and then to 5.1 when I take a savage hit (Cloaked in Savagery). I think I'll have to drop my attack speed jewels so I don't overshoot the 4.5-4.7 aps sweet spot for 5 discharges/s.

Is your hypothesis that the Belt of the Deceiver is going to be better than The Flow Untethered in terms of sustained DPS due to the narrow window of APS required for Flow? My initial thought was a +1 endu Deceiver was going to be the best bang/buck.

EDIT: more words.

Deciever is only 10% increased damage cant really even compare to a another discharge each second and slipstream adds so much clear speed to the build.
I'll switch belts in pob and list the differences

level 93 with untethered is 279k discharge x 5 a second = 1.395m at 95 ill be 290k x 5 = 1.45m
VS shaper 187k x 5 = 935k
Belt of the deceiver with enemies intimidated ticked 307k x 4 = 1.228m level 95 319k x 4 = 1.276m
VS shaper 206k x 4 = 824k
Always work your aps around being hit or being savage hit, as when it matters (stuff needs more than 1 hit to die) you are going to be either hit or savage hit. I alternate with normal stuff + silver flask to get me to 4.6 and no silver on bosses relying on savage hits to get me to 4.6ish aps.
With 15%IAS on untethered I have to run 1 5% IAS jewel and 17/20FA. So possibly we could get away with no jewels of IAS and level 21/20FA with a rare helm and with devotos like level 1-5/20 FA.

I made a really big change to help with charge generation I removed increased duration from arcane surge and replaced it my purity and now run cwdt 1 IC 3 bv 8/20 and bf 4/20 this means another hit on an enemy so 4 chances for power charge rather than 3 giving us another 25% chance to reach full charges sooner. It also gives me some ranged leech if I take a big hit and something is far away.

Hi all, just a qns on the boots enchant from uber lab. I tried farming for the 10% speed movement but no luck . Last nite run i have gotten the 10% elemental penetration. Should i drop this and continue to go for the speed enchant?

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Uzap wrote:

Hi all, just a qns on the boots enchant from uber lab. I tried farming for the 10% speed movement but no luck . Last nite run i have gotten the 10% elemental penetration. Should i drop this and continue to go for the speed enchant?

Pen is best for long boss fights without adds shaper and such, general mapping can really use whatever you like just dont use any damage types of fire/ lightning to attacks or you'll screw up your EE.

@_KaOtiC_
With Belt of the deceiver (10% more damage) i can use full time CULLING STRIKE (10% more damage) instead AS linked with cyclone, 20% more damage total. And, i can take DAMAGE instead IAS in jewels.
With the flow untethered i have to configure IAS to 4.5 - 4.7 (if u are using Harbinguer of time + cloacked in savagery + crave the slaughter, u know that is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain attack speed betwen 4.5 FULL TIME, right?

So, for CLEAR SPEED map, the flow untethered still the best choice (just for slipstram).
For efficiency MAX DPS against Shapper and Uber atziri's, IMO, belt of the decivier + culling strike linked with cyclone.

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nortx wrote:

@_KaOtiC_
With Belt of the deceiver (10% more damage) i can use full time CULLING STRIKE (10% more damage) instead AS linked with cyclone, 20% more damage total. And, i can take DAMAGE instead IAS in jewels.
With the flow untethered i have to configure IAS to 4.5 - 4.7 (if u are using Harbinguer of time + cloacked in savagery + crave the slaughter, u know that is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain attack speed betwen 4.5 FULL TIME, right?

So, for CLEAR SPEED map, the flow untethered still the best choice (just for slipstram).
For efficiency MAX DPS against Shapper and Uber atziri's, IMO, belt of the decivier + culling strike linked with cyclone.

Its 10% increased damage not more.

I always have SC+FA+cull and just shield charge once a boss reaches 10%. I only have 1 jewel with 5% IAS and I needed to lower my FA speed to maintain 4.5-4.7 APS with cyclone. If i remove the 5% jewel can get level 21 FA and ill still be over 4.5 and below 4.7.


Slip stream has no effect on your attack speed, it's on your movement. I've already watched my APS for cyclone with the buff on and off the numbers remain the same. I already calculated correctly and show how to maintain your attack speed.
When I take a regular hit while mapping and trash I'm using silver flask for 20% IAS = 4.52aps cyclone and mostly I'm shield charging for trash anyway. When it matters most for bosses no flask required and I take a savage hit = 4.61APS any boss that matters(ziri/guardians/shaper) is going to be savage hitting you constantly. For weaker bosses that can't or don't savage hit you just use our flask and we are still in the correct attack speed range.

normal hit and using silver flask aka trash clear


savage hit no flask

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_KaOtiC_ wrote:

Its 10% increased damage not more.

Isn't it "10% increased damage taken" for enemies? Which is additive with all other "damage taken" increases. And if it's the only one, it's equivalent to 10% more damage done by you.

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chilipino wrote:

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_KaOtiC_ wrote:

Its 10% increased damage not more.

Well it seems after some research it counts as more if you don't have other forms of this increase. Path of building adds it correctly though and the belt still doesn't come close to the damage gained by another full discharge per second. It's roughly 220k less per second.

As you can see here damage with untethered with +1 charge

297x5 = 1.485m under perfect circumstances.

Lets say you can only land your 5th discharge 50% of the time due to speed issues(haven't been savage hit or don't have flask charges)
297x4 = 1.188m+148(half of 297k) = 1.336m still almost 100k dps infront of deceiver.

Even at 25% chance to get the 5th discharge you finally get almost the same damage
297x4 =1.188m+74(quarter of 297k) = 1.262m




Only item changed was belt for deceiver with +1 charge. You can see the x1.1 for lightning fire and chaos in the picture below

316k x 4 = 1.264m