[R.I.P.] life Mjolner done right by Rico - Juggernaut version - R.I.P. thx to "balancing" policy

Wermine
Rico is 100% right, I couldn't say better with my poor English knowledges.
Indigon looks like the next gen of mjolner dischargers.

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RicoKGB wrote:

Allow me as I have allready tested Indigon on Juggernaut and Templar as well (using both Hierophant and Inquisitor).

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Doklol34 wrote:

Wermine
Rico is 100% right, I couldn't say better with my poor English knowledges.
Indigon looks like the next gen of mjolner dischargers.

Thanks for replies, I'll start to build Indigon version. I have the cash for Indigon, Fevered Mind and Watcher's Eye. I can run the lab for enchant, it's about 10 labs to have 50% chance for it, takes couple of days to get it if I get unlucky.

I have quite good gear for current build. Luckily I can use most of it (like the corrupted [failed] Kingsguard) for Indigon buid. Too bad I have to abandon that belt, it was a good find.



Edit: Got the enchant on boots. Also got Indigon and relevant enchant on it.

Edit2: Transtioned to Indigon version. Could someone check whether or not I forgot something important? Char is MjölneradoJuggerado. Ring+belt+jewels are kinda placeholders and I'll get something more expensive when my old stuff sells.

What are important thresholds (_what_ they are and how much)? On page 1, there's a chart with CDR and Cyclone APS. Now we have also ms, mana, mana regen, mana recovery and others?

Use indigon calculator (google it) for mana chunk time use 0.36 if your cyclone aps is around 4.3 and 0.38 if around 4.0. Aim for 2.5-3k spell dmg after 7-10 secs.

Not quite right. Сyclone attack speed must be the same as in the Rico's CdR\AS table. So if you have 0% kdr you need around 3.9aps on cyclone etc.

Cyclone mana chunk tims is a Constant. 0,36 that's i get in ho, that's because it's easier to control the cursor to send cyclones on a minimal distance.
But, sure in the boss, when boss can slighty moves, attacks, or do something else, a much harder to keep the minimal distance, that's why i have 0.38 on the boss.

there is no dependence between cyclone attack speed and mana spents.

Cyclone Attack speed - CDR - More DIscharges.
Cyclone Movenent speed\Distance control - Indigon stacks - Spell Damage

Calculating with 0.36 it's like you have the ideal rotation, and almost all of your cyclones go for minimal distance.

But, 0,38s is a closer to the real conditions of the battle with real boss like mino, where you can made some movement mistakes.


Wermine. You can also check in your calc this:

With this flask, under cyclone, if you a jugger, sure, you get +46% to movement speed. In this way, mana chunk timer goes from 0.36s to 0.23s, and you can see the difference in the speed of stacks gained.

Hey guys,
I really love this build! It's my first Mjolner build aaaand....something seems weird to me.
I don't understand why I have such a low manareg compared to Doklol. I mean ok: I dont have the enchant on the boots and the values on ring and belt are a bit lower. But Still...i got like 400 mana reg. Am I missing out on something?
Plsss help me to make my character fit better to this build.

Here is my current gear:

https://pastebin.com/XH2KwHS8

Azeruk
In my opinion, not a good idea to make your first discharge buld with ingigon, but of you want, np. I help you xD. First, go lab and get the enchant, it's a HUGE mana regen and you must have this before you start indigon. Second, the arcane surge does not count in your pob.
And with the right calcs, and with enchant, your pob looks like this:
https://pastebin.com/6c9itWDf
from 400 to 1090, boom, magic? xD.
Sure you need lvl, need to change unyielding to unbreakable for survivability, and sure try to get better jewels and belt with 16-20 recovery.

Is The Flow Untethered "Summon Harbinger of Time" Worth it, Unless endurance charge+1?
Using this atm.

Hey all, so I've been doing a Champion version of Mjolner builds for the last two leagues. It seems to perform well and do even more damage than the Juggernaut versions at the cost of survivability and freeze immunity. I've recently converted to Indigon and I'm doing insane amounts of damage and it all feels great. MoM has boosted my survivability quite a bit.

Here's the Indigon PoB of my champion:
https://pastebin.com/iwygpCnF

Only 2231% increased spell damage on Indigon for this but the Champion ascendancy more than makes up for the loss in avg spell damage. The Indigon Calcs are in the notes tab.
First to Strike, Last to Fall isn't necessarily needed for this build, it's probably even better to go for Unstoppable Hero instead. I just kept adrenaline because I sometimes run curse flasks instead of freeze flasks.

And here's what I was before I converted to Indigon:
https://pastebin.com/n7t03aY3

I got extremely lucky with gear this time around and all I have to do is just grab the boot enchant and this build will be complete.

All in all I'd probably say Juggernaut is the all around best feeling simply because of Unstoppable. Immunity to freeze without a flask is just too good.

jnoodle Hey, i liik in your pob and see my jewels in unused, but nvm. xD If you calculating Mjolner discharge, don't forget to add "100% increased Spell Damage\35% less Discharge Damage" on a mjolner to get the right numbers.
And a better to calculating indigon without rf to see the maximum possible values. In tis way, your pob must look like this:
https://pastebin.com/rjB65Sw7

You need to take more Mp\Mp-Reg. Your attack spedd must be like in Rico's CDR|AS table, on the first apge and need to calculate indigon better, idk how much ms under adrenaline, in cyclone you have w\o quicksilver. About mana spent timers you can read my calcs a few pages ago.

And for comparison, here is my current Juggernaut.
https://pastebin.com/VLKUSt5u
Indigon

im sorry but u guys should stop focusing on the CDR/AS target of 4-4.5AS

Ive been playing indigon mjolner for long enough (3 months+) to know that u should stack has much attack speed has possible this allow a lower mana cost n a faster ramp up resulting in a higher %inc spell dmg potential.

Ive been playing with 5.25 to even 6 APS n it feel much better, also the APS vs Proc table only work if u are using 1 spell the moment u add arc u must throw that away.

Do not cap ur APS try to go for has much has possible.

If someone want to argue otherwise ill let this speak for itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHgQ75LVtAk&t=13s