Donald Trump and US politics

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Scrotie, my criticism of Trump has zero to do with political alignments. I'd criticize a corrupt liar of any party in the role of president equally.

Very well then. Allow me to present you with a comprehensive list of all US Presidents in the past 150 years who weren't corrupt liars:

I rest my case, your honour.

That was absolutely priceless XD

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I'm not disputing there were other liars.

But the past is gone. It's 2017.

Having other liars and crooks in the whitehouse in the past doesn't make it acceptable.

Honesty is overrated. I thought election is about who is a more convincing liar.

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I'm not disputing there were other liars.

But the past is gone. It's 2017.

Having other liars and crooks in the whitehouse in the past doesn't make it acceptable.

That's fine and all, but it reeks of naivety. And believe it or not, I used to have a position like that when I was 18-19 years old. But by the time I was 25, those views changed completely. I had basically the alignment shift from Chaotic Good to Chaotic Neutral. Due to my chaotic nature, I'll still occasionally lash out like a whining malcontent, just less frequently.

Nobody is going to run for President/Leader of any country who doesn't have some sorta ulterior motives. Usually with the intention of setting up current or future personal gains.

Someone perfectly honest without motives that differ from their political rhetoric is never going to get elected. Regardless of political party. Not everyone is of the emotional knee-jerk mentality, and some actually think about where they're going to be in the future, and seek to make choices/decisions to make that outcome the best they possibly can. Even at the expense of others. Those people are called doers, go-getters, and achievers. The ones complaining are just whining malcontents.

Welcome to human nature 101. If you want to change that dynamic, then you'd have to change the nature of humanity first. Unfortunately for you, neither the left nor the right are seeking a fundamental change of the nature of humanity.

The best anyone can do is elect who they believe are the lesser of evils. If you'd like to make a case that HRC is any less 'evil' than Trump, based on the character guidelines you've set, then let's hear it.

I'm not going to deny that Trump's likely motives for running for president was to create a better atmosphere for his company to succeed in the future. He's likely going to seek additional markets for his casinos that weren't available a few years ago. And I think that's part of the reason why he got support from Sheldon Adelson. They're in the same business, and they both seek expansion of the same markets. Adelson's support for Trump was rather surprising, because Adelson is a big donor to neoconservative candidates, and their agenda. Trump was opposed to most of Adelson's agenda. The only real common ground they could have is their mutual desire to expand markets for casinos. And with some people, money supersedes politics.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Blatant abuse victim rhetoric for not standing up for themselves. FFS listen to yourselves. How fucking low do you have to be driven to feel that someone like Trump is the best you can do? Is the best you deserve?

It isn't just feels: the alternative to Trump was even worse. But still, you're right: pretty fucking low. To have those two be our only realistic choices shows how low we've been brought. It's been a long, slow descent, with each electoral dichotomy incrementally more pathetic than the one before, but you're fully in the right to go intervention-mode on how truly horrible Hillary Rodham Felon has been for creating the FrankenTrump, and more importantly how ready we were for it and how little we protested. I don't know if we deserve better yet, but if not we should lift ourselves to a point where we do.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Your friends are worried about you, America. One day it won't be just a slap across the face or a black eye. It'll be much worse.

Oh, that virtue signaling again. Perhaps America's "friends" are in need of similar interventions; perhaps it would behoove America's "friends" to worry about themselves first. Your concern is noted.

He's not the best possible man for the job, but neither was any other candidate. I thought that was clear to everyone by now but I guess it needs to keep being stated. For the first time ever, all candidates were <50% approval. No matter who won, the majority of Americans were happy that the other side lost. Really, let that sink in.

I think the majority of Americans are just along for the ride until 2020, and are mildly happy that the "worst" he's doing is saying dumb shit on twitter and not signing meaningful legislature despite control of both house and senate. Elsewhere, stocks are up, ISIS is shrinking, and the recent gush of natural disasters are being tended to. Healthcare is falling apart, but everyone knew to expect that before the election (or they weren't paying attention).

If what you're getting at is that we ought to oust him, you really need to suggest how and for whom. That's a really tall order, not some flippant thing. Trump seems mildly less disastrous than Pence, believe it or not, and the orange fuck certainly isn't worth a civil war.