We are seeing first hand why GGG needs to step in..

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It's a huge screw up by GGG that they allowed it to happen this way from the beginning.

I don't feel that way. It is actually smart ressource allocation. Because as long as 3rd party tools are working it means that they can allocate ressources to other things. This is essentially what Blizzard did with the WoW UI, instead of making it better themself they just let content creators on it with the side effect that players now have much more customizable UIs, because they can essentially pick what they want.

And after all they still have control over the API and another thing is if xyz missuses the abilities provided by those API other people might just make a competitive platform and in the end the users decide.

Bots cannot be properly fought without making a game that is realistic in their assumptions about peoples will to gain more.

Top items being earned(with actual timesink to earn it) and bound is the only way to properly address them - like you see in for example world of warcraft with the best items being drops from the content and only a few of the really good items are tradeable - in that game the top stuff is bound/earned, and low/mid as well as supportive/fun stuff/crafting materials are often tradedable and still we see a thriving market. As long as there are tradeable things to desire at every level and that the top items are generally not tradeable. Every item/type of item has to be considered if it should be tradeable or bound.

I have no respect for little braindead crying hes afraid of bound items that have to be earned because it is not in Diablo 2 spirit - it is a superior system and the markets are doing extremely well still in those games as confirmation, it is just that you have to earn the best things and cannot buy them which will practically alter the way many approach the game.

The game will be about playing the game and not trading to rise the highest. For everyone. It will mean things can start dropping for everyone instead of it being limited hugely because of bots - leading back to one of the reasons why D2 was just fun that did flow and PoE is starving constantly holding players in a fucking chokehold and if anything in game gets satisfyingly rewarding and widely used it will be raped to make sure 98% of players are back in the chokehold. This doesn't mean everything is super easy to get, that can still be made exactly as difficult as anyone wishes it.

The weakness of bound items are that you can get shafted by RNG without supporting systems. To this end completion of time consuming processes can enable things to be acquired, processes that can be started for example by rare tradeable items. Systems to help you focus RNG actually similar to blood shards in d3 can also exist with any degree of focus from certain requirement after longtime investment to simply focusing more new chances so you have to be even more unlucky to not get it, to sharding/dusting of uniques of various tiers/basetype leading to crafts/new chances and probably many many more systems.

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Emphasy wrote:

The only ones that are hurt by that are RMTers, because if the price of exalts drop buying them for actual money is less appealing. Unless they make exalts cheaper to buy as well which loses them profit.

Anyone with a bit of brains, can connect the dots.

GGG needs to implement some sort of auto buy. AFK or dont respond too bad you list something and someone fronts currency, item is removed from your stash and transferred to his. Would end this shit quick.

Today their are whole groups doing price manipulation because just one guy listing a low price is looked over by majority of astute players but 4 or 5 low listings most think thats the market price when in fact they are fake prices with no intention of selling.

They also use a different indexer set for items they are manipulating so they get item someone decides to PM the groups fraud price before you ever hear a whoop.

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Emphasy wrote:

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It's a huge screw up by GGG that they allowed it to happen this way from the beginning.

I don't feel that way. It is actually smart ressource allocation. Because as long as 3rd party tools are working it means that they can allocate ressources to other things. This is essentially what Blizzard did with the WoW UI, instead of making it better themself they just let content creators on it with the side effect that players now have much more customizable UIs, because they can essentially pick what they want.

And after all they still have control over the API and another thing is if xyz missuses the abilities provided by those API other people might just make a competitive platform and in the end the users decide.

Blizzard's UI actually works though, and it functions perfectly fine. The 3rd party UIs are merely enhancement and are not integral or necessary to play the game.


Poe.trade/XYZ is literally essential to function in this game if you don't want to spend an inordinate amount of time on stupid shit.

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Emphasy wrote:

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It's a huge screw up by GGG that they allowed it to happen this way from the beginning.

I don't feel that way. It is actually smart ressource allocation. Because as long as 3rd party tools are working it means that they can allocate ressources to other things. This is essentially what Blizzard did with the WoW UI, instead of making it better themself they just let content creators on it with the side effect that players now have much more customizable UIs, because they can essentially pick what they want.

And after all they still have control over the API and another thing is if xyz missuses the abilities provided by those API other people might just make a competitive platform and in the end the users decide.

Sorry, I don't agree with this.

A UI in an MMO, and being able to properly buy & sell items in an ARPG are two VERY different things.

A UI being the least important of the two.

Having a functional auction house in a game where killing & trading are literally the only things to do is not only almost mandatory, but it's such a simple system to add, it would take very minimal effort.

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The_Reporter wrote:

True, OhhPaige.

However, it will NEVER happen. Because for GGG to go all in with something like that, it would mean an entire staff to take care of it for exactly ZERO extra profit.

It could potentially cause conflict of interest issues. Suddenly, the item nerfs and meta changes could be seen as favoring some economy players, while bankrupting others. Think of the issues that would arise if GGG was responsible for both sides? The nerds would lose their minds.

Forget EVER having any type of GGG automated trade service. It simply cannot happen. Not with the current game design and GGG's economy-sim first credo.

GGG has backed themselves into a corner.

In this case the profit would come indirectly by having a better game.

Just like releasing performance updates, or even adding content. In a game monetized like this, a happy player is going to spend money regardless. Adding new content doesn't have to be their #1 focus 24/7, although it should be a lot of the time.