[3.4] LL Classic Summoner - Shaper/Elder/Guardian Farmer

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Rivod wrote:
I am doing this build and I have some problems. I read over and over and did everything as described on guide. BUT,

- My ES wait too long to start regen.
- I can't pass 5k ES
- My resists are not OK. I can't change my life belt to crystall ES.

Please help me thanks.

My current passive tree
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https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/3.1.3/AAAABAMDAQ18EVAVJxcvGDwYVhhqGYoajxslHNwdFB2qHdki9CSwKPoqmC9vMtE1uTkLQ1RFR0ZxR4VJUUmxS65NuVXWV8lakVxrXIpfsGTnZp5qrGvbbAttGW-ecLt9GH_GgKSCx4MJhEiFYIhAiEKMsY9Gj_qQM5MnmK2bipuhm7WhL6aspwinK6h9qsS0DLcxuJO9J75PvorBxcM6w23KSsrTzLzT-9fP2RPZW9le34rhiOkC6rrr7uwY74jw1fRx9tr31_k3-ej6gPrS-wn-Sf6B?accountName=Rivod&characterName=DeliDeliKulaklariKupeli


My items
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Unlocking your character list for everyone to see it would enable me to import your character to Path of Building, which makes it much easier for me to pinpoint areas to improve/fix. from looking at the tree and items you posted i can say the following (can't see your jewels btw):

- You did not pick up the "Faith and Steel"-Node yet (left side of the tree), those 8% all res will help with your resists and also grant some energy shield.

- There are 2 jewel sockets available for 1 skill point each, those would be incredibly efficient and should never be not picked up. even if you just place a jewel with 35ES and any other mod that is not completely useless for u that jewel is already more efficient than most other nodes at the skilltree.

- when the purities in your +2 rings and the prism guardian hit lvl 18 they will grant more max res. getting them to lvl 21 (or lvl 20 in +3 rings) would be an other upgrade.

- regarding the ES recharge all you could do to improve it further would be a watcher's eye with faster start of ES recharge (which is obviously not necessary at all, up to you if that is worth it for you), however using vaal discipline should fix that problem during regular map clear and very few map bosses survive longer than 1 vaal discipline duration (exept those new multi-phase bosses nearly everyone skips, but most of them are not dangerous anyway, just time consuming).

- I'm assuming you do not have a presence of chayula yet, that would definitely boost your total ES by a good amount. on my current character i sit on ~7.5k ES, which is more than it seems, since your high elemental resist make you take way less damage than other builds.

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Unlocking your character list for everyone to see it would enable me to import your character to Path of Building, which makes it much easier for me to pinpoint areas to improve/fix. from looking at the tree and items you posted i can say the following (can't see your jewels btw):

- You did not pick up the "Faith and Steel"-Node yet (left side of the tree), those 8% all res will help with your resists and also grant some energy shield.

- There are 2 jewel sockets available for 1 skill point each, those would be incredibly efficient and should never be not picked up. even if you just place a jewel with 35ES and any other mod that is not completely useless for u that jewel is already more efficient than most other nodes at the skilltree.

- when the purities in your +2 rings and the prism guardian hit lvl 18 they will grant more max res. getting them to lvl 21 (or lvl 20 in +3 rings) would be an other upgrade.

- regarding the ES recharge all you could do to improve it further would be a watcher's eye with faster start of ES recharge (which is obviously not necessary at all, up to you if that is worth it for you), however using vaal discipline should fix that problem during regular map clear and very few map bosses survive longer than 1 vaal discipline duration (exept those new multi-phase bosses nearly everyone skips, but most of them are not dangerous anyway, just time consuming).

- I'm assuming you do not have a presence of chayula yet, that would definitely boost your total ES by a good amount. on my current character i sit on ~7.5k ES, which is more than it seems, since your high elemental resist make you take way less damage than other builds.



Character screen unlocked.

Ok I have passed 5.5k ES but I still die on heavy physical dmg hit, My physical reduction is %7 and %13 less physical dmg taken from hit from AA

I am not rush into enemy I stay behing most of the time.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong how you not die against physical bosses?

Thanks for repply
Last edited by Rivod#2217 on Feb 4, 2018, 5:50:55 AM
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Rivod wrote:


Character screen unlocked.

Ok I have passed 5.5k ES but I still die on heavy physical dmg hit, My physical reduction is %7 and %13 less physical dmg taken from hit from AA

I am not rush into enemy I stay behing most of the time.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong how you not die against physical bosses?

Thanks for repply



Ok now I have 7k shield. I put all flask into makro on mouse button and when I saw big pack I pop them all. If I saw big enemies I pop Vaal Disclipte too. I didn't die after I figured how to play :)

I change my spectre setup too. I am using 2x"Goat Fire-...." from prison gate and 2x"Tukohama Vanguards" from coast. Goat fire-... very good clear speed and T.Vanguards help for big enemies.

I got +1 curse on skill tree But I can't find a way to apply it on enemy.

You said on the first page of this guide "Ball Lightning is used to apply Elemental Equilibrium and 2 Curses."

Could you please show me how to do it? I suppose we gonna change one of the 4L setup but how?
And please tell me which curse we should use?
In my mind I think Temp Chain for defence? or flamability for DPS?

Thanks in advance.
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Rivod wrote:
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Rivod wrote:


Character screen unlocked.

Ok I have passed 5.5k ES but I still die on heavy physical dmg hit, My physical reduction is %7 and %13 less physical dmg taken from hit from AA

I am not rush into enemy I stay behing most of the time.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong how you not die against physical bosses?

Thanks for repply



Ok now I have 7k shield. I put all flask into makro on mouse button and when I saw big pack I pop them all. If I saw big enemies I pop Vaal Disclipte too. I didn't die after I figured how to play :)

I change my spectre setup too. I am using 2x"Goat Fire-...." from prison gate and 2x"Tukohama Vanguards" from coast. Goat fire-... very good clear speed and T.Vanguards help for big enemies.

I got +1 curse on skill tree But I can't find a way to apply it on enemy.

You said on the first page of this guide "Ball Lightning is used to apply Elemental Equilibrium and 2 Curses."

Could you please show me how to do it? I suppose we gonna change one of the 4L setup but how?
And please tell me which curse we should use?
In my mind I think Temp Chain for defence? or flamability for DPS?

Thanks in advance.


To get the 2nd curse u need to get this corruption on your wand:



If you place Ball lightning - Curse on Hit - Enfeeble in it, the ball lghtning will apply both the enfeeble and the ele weakness. If you can not find any wand with the correct colours and links, you can hit me up in game, i got vorici 8 and can 3-socket, -link and colour it for you (will cost a few vaal orbs, so have some ready).

If you have problems with bosses you can get some "Minions have #% chance to taunt enemies on hit with attacks" on jewels, so bosses will focus your zombies instead of you.

However regarding the flask macro - to my knowledge that is forbidden and you risk getting banned for it, so i'd recommend not to use it.
Hey I was playing a Vis Mortis/spec/flame golem build and was amazing for clear speed but lacked guardians/shaper potential.

I grabbed a midnight bargain and was like if I vaal this and get a curse I'll rerspec. Well that worked so i seconded guessed myself and was like I'll grab a 5ex ~110es roll 6l shav, If i divine it and rolls 140+ I'll respec, so rng won.

Anyways What are ppl hitting for ES? I haven't played ES since the nerf and 6,900(10k+ before) seems low? Considering I had 6,400 Life.

I Jumped into a chimera to grab solar guards and was like well i'll try before swapping characters and had no issue's.

My main concern is ES total, and maybe you could look at my character Stalk_Smn_ and see if I'm missing/miss pathed anything big.

Yay for mini lightning coil watcher's eye?
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Hey I was playing a Vis Mortis/spec/flame golem build and was amazing for clear speed but lacked guardians/shaper potential.

I grabbed a midnight bargain and was like if I vaal this and get a curse I'll rerspec. Well that worked so i seconded guessed myself and was like I'll grab a 5ex ~110es roll 6l shav, If i divine it and rolls 140+ I'll respec, so rng won.

Anyways What are ppl hitting for ES? I haven't played ES since the nerf and 6,900(10k+ before) seems low? Considering I had 6,400 Life.

I Jumped into a chimera to grab solar guards and was like well i'll try before swapping characters and had no issue's.

My main concern is ES total, and maybe you could look at my character Stalk_Smn_ and see if I'm missing/miss pathed anything big.

Yay for mini lightning coil watcher's eye?


@Stalkster I had a quick peak at your character and you are missing a ton of ES by using that belt with life on it. My personal recommendation would be to used Darkness Enthroned with two abyss jewels that have ES on them. If you get 50 ES on both jewels (Expensive cuz perfect but easy number to use as example) you get 150 ES from the belt before scaling from your tree/int.
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Lavitz323 wrote:
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Hey I was playing a Vis Mortis/spec/flame golem build and was amazing for clear speed but lacked guardians/shaper potential.

I grabbed a midnight bargain and was like if I vaal this and get a curse I'll rerspec. Well that worked so i seconded guessed myself and was like I'll grab a 5ex ~110es roll 6l shav, If i divine it and rolls 140+ I'll respec, so rng won.

Anyways What are ppl hitting for ES? I haven't played ES since the nerf and 6,900(10k+ before) seems low? Considering I had 6,400 Life.

I Jumped into a chimera to grab solar guards and was like well i'll try before swapping characters and had no issue's.

My main concern is ES total, and maybe you could look at my character Stalk_Smn_ and see if I'm missing/miss pathed anything big.

Yay for mini lightning coil watcher's eye?


@Stalkster I had a quick peak at your character and you are missing a ton of ES by using that belt with life on it. My personal recommendation would be to used Darkness Enthroned with two abyss jewels that have ES on them. If you get 50 ES on both jewels (Expensive cuz perfect but easy number to use as example) you get 150 ES from the belt before scaling from your tree/int.


I tried as a test with a

it gives less ES then Life+ES belt since
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Thank you very much for your build guide and for sharing your experience!

I much prefer this variation of spectre summoner over a max-block variation of burning spectres that I played for 95 levels this league. Barring any drastic changes I look forward to transitioning to LL much sooner in subsequent leagues. I more easily completed many personal firsts this league after swapping to a variation of this build and I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it.

Gear/PoB/Pantheon for reference:
Spoiler







Pantheon:
Soul of Arakaali
Soul of Shakari

PoB:
https://pastebin.com/mEx09vY7

Official:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/3.1.1/AAAABAMDABzcykqboYLHHRRwu_5J-wn60iSw-oBV4AFvWpH56Pk3RnH316asm4r0cb5PpwjqumwLFy9LrvDVkDM3ZsHFmK2ApIVg7-vviFyKiEJmVNP7uJObtYTF7IovbxmK6QKDCUNU4vdqrOGI34qPGhUnV8kYPNlb2V6Mdkyz18_QH8y8SbFJUbQMytPJPewYiEDDOr-Xj_o1uRqPvop_xmaeTbm9JxhWtzFtGarEqH2nKzQKDXxca6br9tqhL3IPMtGUb49GfRhV1tkTR4Ud2Yt6HarDbTeDEVBk5_Ieb56ESCqYa9uMsTkLRUdfsCymKPobJVIp_oFYWiL06-6TJw==
Last edited by toazd#3533 on Feb 7, 2018, 7:04:22 AM
Good morning sir!


First of all would like to thank the effort invested helping us all, without your help I would have never been able to play any build like this.

I'm currently playing your build. I'm low level yet but the build is improving greatly. Would you mind taking a look on my char and guide me in what should I improve next?

I would definitely thank some advice in abyss jewels.

My current set up:



Edit: forgot to thank :(
Last edited by SUPERKINGa#2623 on Feb 9, 2018, 4:22:38 AM
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Stalkst3r wrote:
Hey I was playing a Vis Mortis/spec/flame golem build and was amazing for clear speed but lacked guardians/shaper potential.

I grabbed a midnight bargain and was like if I vaal this and get a curse I'll rerspec. Well that worked so i seconded guessed myself and was like I'll grab a 5ex ~110es roll 6l shav, If i divine it and rolls 140+ I'll respec, so rng won.

Anyways What are ppl hitting for ES? I haven't played ES since the nerf and 6,900(10k+ before) seems low? Considering I had 6,400 Life.

I Jumped into a chimera to grab solar guards and was like well i'll try before swapping characters and had no issue's.

My main concern is ES total, and maybe you could look at my character Stalk_Smn_ and see if I'm missing/miss pathed anything big.

Yay for mini lightning coil watcher's eye?


This build never focused on getting a very high total ES number, even before the nerfs i rarely passed 8.8k, at the current patch i reach ~7.5k. total ES is just a number, what really matters is your effecitve hp, and to achieve high effective hp we want a mix of total ES and damage mitigation.

I did some calculations regarding effective HP vs Total ES on page 84 in this thread, check it out if u want (it is the third post at that page) - warning: math.

And ye, there are a lot of really great watcher's eye mods for this build available.^^
Last edited by xxWolf#7174 on Feb 10, 2018, 11:49:02 AM

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