[3.4] LL Classic Summoner - Shaper/Elder/Guardian Farmer

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RonnieLee wrote:

No, its not worth losing the ES, but is the socket on your Pariah blue?

My Pariah is green just because I didn't chrom my gloves to fit PoL in Pariah. I was using AA in the Pariah because that's the set up I had with my two unset rares.

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Cloudchasin wrote:

Question how would you go about leveling up to this build. how did you level? at what point did you switch. a leveling tree would be awesome.

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xxWolf wrote:

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meguaJY6WIZP4CZ wrote:

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dsimek11 wrote:

Ok, I'm finding it hard and frustrating to level. any advice? specters are dying every two minutes, can't beat normal without dying a lot. I'm rushing for the +spectre and +zombie nodes.

Is spectre survivability an issue in the late game?

EDIT: is this viable with solaris lorica, at least until I get some currency to buy shavs?

Use Summon Raging Spirit with Reverberation Rod for lvling. Zombies in Matua Tupuna Tarnished Spirit Shield are good too. Spectres are relevant on the Merciless Difficulty.

exactly. spectres have always been horrible for leveling, they get really good when you can access merciless solaris temple and got the soul weaver ascendancy node. SRS can carry you to that point without any problem. zombies get usable once you got some minion regeneration.

no, spectre survivability is no problem in the late game, while mapping they do not die at all and once you know what you do they wont die at guardians/shaper either.

yes, this is viable with solaris lorica, i usually farm scriptoriums for shav´s card with a solaris lorica in the beginning of a league.

i will add a more detailed leveling section to the guide soon, including lvling trees and some tips.

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zouberi6 wrote:

Yo i have been following your build and i did my first T15 map with this and its amazing. However i was wondering what are your thoughts on united in dream versus midnight bargain? Which one do you think is better. Also should i switch my united in dream from midnight bargain or should i just keep it on?

while united in dream is VERY powerfull with minions that deal physical damage (thanks to double dipping) it grants almost no benefit to minions that deal elemental damage - like the spectres we use. the fire damage of your spectres can not poison, making united in dream almost useless in this build, the 1 additional spectre from minight bargain however essentially works as a 33% more multiplier. if you get the elemental weakness corruption on it that adds an other multiplier. so yes, i think switching to midnight bargain is a good idea. ;)

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LafayetteIA wrote:

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RonnieLee wrote:

No, its not worth losing the ES, but is the socket on your Pariah blue?

My Pariah is green just because I didn't chrom my gloves to fit PoL in Pariah. I was using AA in the Pariah because that's the set up I had with my two unset rares.

Pariah is only worth if you can fit in a blue gem to get the energy shield. an alternative to it would be a rare unset ring with +2 or +3 to lvl of socketed gem, you can craft % ES on it, it gives about as much ES as a pariah (with a blue socket). i describe how to craft one of those rings yourself at the bottom of the guide in the "What changed in 2.6" section.

Like to thank xxWolf for the build. Real nice build!

Tried to craft a +3 using 500 alts using ilvl 83 unset rings but did not get +3 a single time!
Must be unlucky. According to gamepedia wiki, +3 is from level 76 onwards.

Anyway, will build up alts and get some ilvl 84 unset rings and try again.

How good would it be replacing Anger+Generosity with Faster Casting+Flame Dash and Arctic Armor with Vitality?

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DKiller417 wrote:

How good would it be replacing Anger+Generosity with Faster Casting+Flame Dash and Arctic Armor with Vitality?

cutting generositied anger would reduce your dps by about 13%, vitality is very lackluster, you would not benefit at all from it and even if you took Zealot´s Oath the regen would be barely noticable. and your minions simply do not need it.

in my eyes flame dash is not needed since we have very high movement speed anyway and if you need to dodge smth quicksilver falsk + running is probably still faster than flame dash. additionally arctic armour gives a very nice defensive bonus (also the chilling ground should not be underestimated).

as i already said: try and tinker around as you want, if you like the setup with flame dash more, stick to it. :) i personally value anger + arctic armour over vitality + flame dash.

One of the bad things about playing a summoner is that you have to resummon everytime you log in or the game crash.

Found out a little tip to make it easier when you summon spectres. Eg go to Eternal Lab if you want Flame Sentinels. Desecrate till you see Flame Sentinels, start a new instance if needed.

Not necessary to remove spell echo. Just remove the other corpses around Flame Sentinel with Summon Zombie till you are only left with Flame Sentinel corpse, then use Summon Spectre.
Use the "a" key to target the corpse you want.

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RonnieLee wrote:

One of the bad things about playing a summoner is that you have to resummon everytime you log in or the game crash.

Found out a little tip to make it easier when you summon spectres. Eg go to Eternal Lab if you want Flame Sentinels. Desecrate till you see Flame Sentinels, start a new instance if needed.

Not necessary to remove spell echo. Just remove the other corpses around Flame Sentinel with Summon Zombie till you are only left with Flame Sentinel corpse, then use Summon Spectre.
Use the "a" key to target the corpse you want.

well, that is the basic the spectre trick i explain in the guide builds on... i mention all of it in the section where i explain how to get spectres. the problem is that the spectres you create this way are relatively low level, which is why we go for higher lvl ones in maps.

removing the other corpses around flame sentinels takes more time than just removing the spell echo gem. it also becomes very frustrating when you forget a corpse, accidentally raise it as a spectre and need to start over again. additionally you can put the spell echo gem next to your desecrate so it gets cast twice during this process.

Tried the removing spell echo thing, but found summoning by removing corpse via the Summon Zombie method to be faster for me. Great tip about spell echo and desecrate!

Just finish getting corruption on my wand (elemental weakness) and boots (+1 to socketed gems).
The wand works beautifully with dual curses, but when I replaced the Vertex with a rare Helm and corrupted boots, found that I unable to summon Zombie. So for now, am using the Vertex.

Next step is to craft the +3 unset rings and jewels. Will be hoping for a 21 raise zombie and spectre and also the purity gems especially Lightning.

Have tried a couple of builds this League and found this to be the safest build, as I seldom die. In fact have not died while levelling from 80 onwards!