[2.5] CI Witch Scorching Ray CWC Whispering Ice - Version 2.0 Released - Now with more damage!

Hello, I've been playing this build since the start of the league, had some characters in hardcore, but decided to switch to SC because of conection problems. I really like this build, but whenever I play it, I can't help but thinking that I am quite weak. I tried switching my helmet to BSC, had a nice dmg increase and around 100 int more, but lost 1.4k ES

I know that my items aren't the best, but I'm pretty sure that at least my gloves is really good, and that my boots is going to save me tons of skill points (80% chance to avoid being stunned) if I'm going to respec it to a more "Int-based" build.


Stats: 10.164 ES
INT: 1249
Icestorm tooltip: 6k avg dmg in HO with both golems

F: 156%
C: 152%
L: 151%





(and my old helmet, I still don't know if I'm gonna switch it for BSC for sure)


So, right now I'm using OP's original skill build to lvl 100, but I was thinking about maybe respecing it to falagar's build, but I don't really know what points to grab since if I don't really need Unwavering Stance.
Thanks in advance, have a great year!


EDIT: I have around 240c to invest in items if needed

@fallkonalist, what you mean by being weak? You die too much? cant deal with map mods? or can't kill too fast?

I think It's all about you get used to the build... The damage is nice, also i never had a build that could survive T14-15 without dieing 1-2 times per map (I've played king of the forest, laceforge and max block gladiator builds...)

It's taking me around 5 minutes to fully clear a T14 Maze map. Reflects are a joke. Hexproof makes it harder but doable if the map mods aren't that crazy xD

Get used to It and you will be good... The cast speed and movement skill seem to not help but It's beyound our eyes xD

ps. I'm playing original build

Welcome back Mathoddie hope you had nice days =p

I still didn't use my 4 skill's point on potency of the will :D ( Lvl 90 currently), i really want something else like + 1 jewel node or something else..Any other suggestion? =p

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fallkonalist wrote:

Hello, I've been playing this build since the start of the league, had some characters in hardcore, but decided to switch to SC because of conection problems. I really like this build, but whenever I play it, I can't help but thinking that I am quite weak. I tried switching my helmet to BSC, had a nice dmg increase and around 100 int more, but lost 1.4k ES

I know that my items aren't the best, but I'm pretty sure that at least my gloves is really good, and that my boots is going to save me tons of skill points (80% chance to avoid being stunned) if I'm going to respec it to a more "Int-based" build.


Stats: 10.164 ES
INT: 1249
Icestorm tooltip: 6k avg dmg in HO with both golems

F: 156%
C: 152%
L: 151%

(and my old helmet, I still don't know if I'm gonna switch it for BSC for sure)

So, right now I'm using OP's original skill build to lvl 100, but I was thinking about maybe respecing it to falagar's build, but I don't really know what points to grab since if I don't really need Unwavering Stance.
Thanks in advance, have a great year!


EDIT: I have around 240c to invest in items if needed

Hey!

I would keep the boots, that enchant is nice!
Your gloves are very nice but not so for this build, you could sell that for quite a bit and buy one with a little less energy shield but max int.

The reason you feel squishy is your dps, my dps is a lot higher so I leech up faster - and I don't even run dps curses - I have 340 more int.

If you swap to my curse setup - you will gain enfeeble and temporal chains, which more then make up for the loss in ES by swapping to BSC, BSC gives so much damage for us, it's a shame not to use it :)


Below I made you a build without unwavering stance - it gets quite a few nice perks (like the flask node below vaal pact) and another jewel. You can remove Faith and Steel and/or Nullification, but they are nice nodes to fix resists. If you grab a +1 curse neck with 50 int or more, you can run triple curse, you already have a 5 link - it's totally worth the loss in INT vs astramentis - which you don't have anyways ;)

alternatively you can use doedre ring for +1 curse and get an astramentis, both options give around 100 int (vs a good rare int ring)




on that note, i got my 6 link today, going to test with a doedre's and a 4th curse on top, should be worth the small loss (60ish) in INT - if not, ill add enhance for curse quality :)

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Elf_97 wrote:

Welcome back Mathoddie hope you had nice days =p

I still didn't use my 4 skill's point on potency of the will :D ( Lvl 90 currently), i really want something else like + 1 jewel node or something else..Any other suggestion? =p

check the build i linked above, it will give you some ideas :)

imo best replacement is probably the jewel slot i've taken in there or the 2 dex+30 int node after vaal pact.

I can't use 2 auras with blashemy-warlord's mark(( Im 79 and i have 1140 intelligence. This is my gear.

Hello good sir.

How does elemental damage with weapons work in this build? The whispering ice cant benfit from elemental damage with weapons, or can it ? :thinking:

I've had a really fun time leveling this char I'm 62 now and I also did it as mostly es and didn't have too hard of a time leveling it in softcore. I think I found a solution to generating endurance charges there's a jewel named the red dream that if you have a passive with fire resist near it then you gain that much of a chance to gain a charge on kill, though this is a pretty expensive solution so it'd probably be in the best in slot item. Let me know what you think and if this would work thanks :)
Ace

Started this build as my second build for the league, and have been having a blast. Just hit 90 last night. I've managed to build up a decent amount of currency again, and am looking towards my next upgrade.

Here's my current gear:


And my current tree:


I'm not the best player at the game, so I've been moving relatively slowly, having only really worked my way up to ~tier 11 maps (though I've run up to tier 14 without any major issues). Have also done normal Atziri, and Uber Lab a fair bit. But, I'm starting to feel like it's time for some upgrades as I push into true endgame content.

It seems to me that my chest is the weakest link, since it has no Int (and is honestly fairly mediocre). Gloves are probably my next weakest link with pretty bad ES and sub-optimal int.

The other thing I was considering is it would be pretty nice to run a third curse. Since it's effectively impossible for me to get a +1 curse Astra (and I really like my Astra, since besides the int it means I just don't have to worry about other stats), it seems that getting a Doedre's ring would be the easiest. But, that removes a lot of resistances I'd need to make up for, as well as the Int off that ring. I'm preeeeettty sure that if I replaced like 3 pieces of gear I could make it work and could afford it, but I'm assuming it would be at least 3Ex, and I'd probably end up losing some ES, at the very least.

So, I guess in the end (sorry for the rambly post), my question is where is my currency best spent upgrade wise, both right away, and thinking towards the future?

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lakabaka wrote:

Hello good sir.

How does elemental damage with weapons work in this build? The whispering ice cant benfit from elemental damage with weapons, or can it ? :thinking:

You take it for the 20 int (it's converted by using a brute force solution jewel in the jewel slot nearby)

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Lashiel wrote:

Started this build as my second build for the league, and have been having a blast. Just hit 90 last night. I've managed to build up a decent amount of currency again, and am looking towards my next upgrade.

Here's my current gear:

And my current tree:

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMCAAPuBAcNfA5IEFgRDxEtEVARlhM1FdcXpBhqGoEbJRzcHU8dvh8CH8ci6ij6KU8qOCqNK3gsnCy_LR8tizLRM4c1uTbFNtg3gzsNRUdGcUbXSRtJUUuuTItMs1BCUXRWSFZjVylXyVgHXfJfKl9qX7BmVG0Zb55xhXIPeC985X_GgpuCx4MJg_eExYV7hq6HZYw2jxqP-pD6lG-VIJuhm7WiLqKjppmnCKcrrJivm7QMtQS4k8BmwcXB88M6ykrQH9DQ1AfVptgk2Vvcjd9t34rfsOQi6NbpAuq66xTr5Ovu7BjsOOxV70vv6_DV8Wz31w==?accountName=Lashiel&characterName=Shemhamphorasch

I'm not the best player at the game, so I've been moving relatively slowly, having only really worked my way up to ~tier 11 maps (though I've run up to tier 14 without any major issues). Have also done normal Atziri, and Uber Lab a fair bit. But, I'm starting to feel like it's time for some upgrades as I push into true endgame content.

It seems to me that my chest is the weakest link, since it has no Int (and is honestly fairly mediocre). Gloves are probably my next weakest link with pretty bad ES and sub-optimal int.

The other thing I was considering is it would be pretty nice to run a third curse. Since it's effectively impossible for me to get a +1 curse Astra (and I really like my Astra, since besides the int it means I just don't have to worry about other stats), it seems that getting a Doedre's ring would be the easiest. But, that removes a lot of resistances I'd need to make up for, as well as the Int off that ring. I'm preeeeettty sure that if I replaced like 3 pieces of gear I could make it work and could afford it, but I'm assuming it would be at least 3Ex, and I'd probably end up losing some ES, at the very least.

So, I guess in the end (sorry for the rambly post), my question is where is my currency best spent upgrade wise, both right away, and thinking towards the future?

Hey!

You are right, your chest is your weakest link - and since you don't really need a 6 link unless really min-maxing, you can get a fairly amazing chest for not that much investment, 250c or so. I actually have a nice chest for you if you don't want to spend so much, it's my old beloved chest that already ate 1400 fusings without 6 linking, maybe it is close ;)



If you are interested just give me a shout, think i listed it at 220 but not online atm to check.

After that - definitely your gloves and helmet. If you add a third defensive curse, use a black sun crest, INT = everything this build needs.

You should really get either stun enchant on boots or go for unwavering stance - stun deaths are a thing when you start doing t15+, if you want to push your level a bit, being stun immune will save you a lot of frustration and lost xp :)

Don't underestimate the route to unwavering stance, it is a LOT of INT (another jewel to convert) in that route. If you don't want to spend a lot of money on the enchant and/or farm it yourself, I would definitely consider doing so.


As for +1 curse. yea it's amazing, there's literally 5 amazing curses for this build (flammability, elemental weakness, temporal chains, enfeeble, warlord's mark) that if you can pick one up at not to much loss, it's totally worth it.

Doedre's vs +1 curse neck - +1 curse neck+t1 int rare ring is as much int as astramentis, you can get dex on the rare ring, and will only miss a little strength to level warlord's mark all the way to 20 (mine's stuck at 16) - if you go unwavering stance it will give a little extra strength as well.

Doedre's the easy way out, but harder to fix resists, choice is up to you! :)

So in short:
Chest -> 3rd curse -> black sun crest -> gloves -> minor int improvements on rest of your gear.
Also, your gems are all lacking quality, but that just needs time :)

My gear below - i am playing around still - would like doedres+4th curse instead of enhance, but would need different boots that are basically 20ex to fix resists to even try ^^ so guess i am fairly done :)

May it inspire some people. Enchants are crap, but I "dislike" lab.



Swapping CWDT/Ball lightning with Orb of Storms+empower for the hard content.