Nothing wrong with Blade Flurry, it's not OP it just doesn't suck like typical melee

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plodd wrote:

all reason disappears

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Turbodevil wrote:

Just posting reminder that Blade Flurry does 2-3 times the damage of other melee skills, while being ranged and AoE.

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Turbodevil wrote:

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plodd wrote:

all reason disappears

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Turbodevil wrote:

Just posting reminder that Blade Flurry does 2-3 times the damage of other melee skills, while being ranged and AoE.

Thx for making my point.

All reason disappears.

You will notice in the list of skills I gave there was only 1 other comparable melee skill, Eq.

If you will also take a moment to notice you will see I gave a list , not a complete list of other equally strong skills when equivalently geared.

For example.
If you put a speed freak blade flurry loath bane assasin in the same map as a speed freak la/barrage legacy reach pathfinder vp vintars whatever, they will both be equally tanky and able to facetank.

Difference being the blade flurry wont even hit a mob, they will all be dead before he gets to them.

Before somebody says blah blah legacy blah standard shit blah bla, that's another point id like to make. Don't balance these skills around items that virtually nobody has.

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plodd wrote:

When a Pitbull is triggered to attack it goes into a sort of blood rage (not to be confused with the skill gem), all reason disappears and it generally wont stop until its opponent is dead.

There is definitely one person here that seem to have followed that pattern, you can check the previous pages it's very obvious.

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plodd wrote:

For example.

Don't, unless you have experience with such examples.
And saying that a bow build would be equally tanky than a build with a shield ( and very well placed on the tree to go CI ) isn't true, by the way, as strong as rearguard can be.
There are way too many variable to compare such different builds, especially when one is based on a skill that has not been out for a week yet.


PS : BV is like ... the worst choice of comparison for balance purposes.

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Fruz wrote:

Don't, unless you have experience with such examples.
And saying that a bow build would be equally tanky than a build with a shield ( and very well placed on the tree to go CI ) isn't true, by the way, as strong as rearguard can be.
There are way too many variable to compare such different builds, especially when one is based on a skill that has not been out for a week yet.

Ive seen and played in maps with somebody when he was using eq, bv, la/barrage and now blade flurry.

Every boss every map no matter mods (except no leech and blood magic) dies basically the same.

Maybe a couple of seconds difference on some t16 bosses, trash no different everything one shotted, 180% movement speed on all.

The fact is with the best gear and knowledge of the game, there is now a lot of skills that can kill endgame bosses even with crazy mods in a few seconds.

Nearly nobody has this lvl of gear so again, to balance the game around this is very unwise.

We all know how powerfull people like Mathil makes skills look. If im not mistaken he does all content with nearly every build he makes with a huge variety of skills.

Should the game be balanced around him?

If blade flurry needs to be nerfed so do lots of other skills and the rest would need to be buffed.

You cannot in all seriousness single out 1 melee skill because it is more powerful than other melee skills.

Which is disputable anyway. As I said ive seen some pretty damn crazy eq builds as well.

ps. I wasn't referring to rearguard.

I do agree with that last post, many skills are out of place.
Blade flurry is only one of them, but it just got release, there was basically no time needed to see how powerful it is ( which means we probably haven't seen everything about it just yet ).

Is EQ over the top ?
Probably, I think that it has brought up lots of discussions and many people do find with OP.
Blade Flurry seem right from the start just better.
This thread is only about blade flurry, but there are definitely other skills "too" powerful in the game at the moment.

Now at some point the power creep is fucking up the overall balance of the game, that's a pity I think but likely not going to change anytime soon, if ever.
It still is no valid reason to release skill always more powerful than the previous ones, imho.

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Fruz wrote:

I do agree with that last post, many skills are out of place.
Blade flurry is only one of them, but it just got release, there was basically no time needed to see how powerful it is ( which means we probably haven't seen everything about it just yet ).

Is EQ over the top ?
Probably, I think that it has brought up lots of discussions and many people do find with OP.
Blade Flurry seem right from the start just better.
This thread is only about blade flurry, but there are definitely other skills "too" powerful in the game at the moment.

Now at some point the power creep is fucking up the overall balance of the game, that's a pity I think but likely not going to change anytime soon, if ever.
It still is no valid reason to release skill always more powerful than the previous ones, imho.

Wherever you think the balance should be centered around, the vast majority of melee skills are under that point. Exceptions for flicker, shield charge, EQ, and now blade flurry. You are saying BF is too powerful, the point of me and everyone here is that it's only as powerful as all the meta spells. You are also saying BF is way better than all other melee gems, of course it is because other melee gems besides those few I just listed are trash.

If you want to nerf BF fine, but it needs to come with a nerf to about 30% of the game's other gems as well if that's the case. If those nerfs don't come, then neither should BF get nerfed. That is the simple fact myself and others are arguing.

Nice paraphrasing, I guess its better than what you did before though.

Blade flurry clear = great

Blade flurry single target? = boss deletion.

That's the only part of the skill that needs to be adjusted.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Wherever you think the balance should be centered around, the vast majority of melee skills are under that point. Exceptions for flicker, shield charge, EQ, and now blade flurry.

Mhmm... Sounds good so far...

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Legatus1982 wrote:

You are saying BF is too powerful, the point of me and everyone here is that it's only as powerful as all the meta spells. You are also saying BF is way better than all other melee gems, of course it is because other melee gems besides those few I just listed are trash.

Well, if BF is "only" as powerful as all the meta spells, including Bladevortex, what could possibly be wrong about it?

Public service announcement: Glacial hammer, heavy strike, vigilant strike, etc will never be any good, they're mechanically outdated. Buff them by a million percent, nobody will give a damn.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

If you want to nerf BF fine, but it needs to come with a nerf to about 30% of the game's other gems as well if that's the case. If those nerfs don't come, then neither should BF get nerfed. That is the simple fact myself and others are arguing.

No, it does not need to come with a nerf to other skills. Period. Your entire point is: "As long as casters have OP, melee is entitled to have OP". Which is just as ridiculous and devoid of any reason as it sounds. The moment you say "but the others", is when you loose all credibility in regards to this topic. You don't actually discuss at all, you try pushing your agenda here, which in a nutshell is "Melee needs OP skill, because casters have OP skill".

To point you back to where this started: The thread is called "Nothing wrong with bladeflurry, it's not OP, it just doesn't suck like typical melee." Want me to count how many times you, and others, have contradicted yourselves in the past days? Don't tell me you didn't contradict yourself here at all, seriously.

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Sure_K4y wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

If you want to nerf BF fine, but it needs to come with a nerf to about 30% of the game's other gems as well if that's the case. If those nerfs don't come, then neither should BF get nerfed. That is the simple fact myself and others are arguing.

No, it does not need to come with a nerf to other skills. Period. Your entire point is: "As long as casters have OP, melee is entitled to have OP". Which is just as ridiculous and devoid of any reason as it sounds. The moment you say "but the others", is when you loose all credibility in regards to this topic. You don't actually discuss at all, you try pushing your agenda here, which in a nutshell is "Melee needs OP skill, because casters have OP skill".

Oh Jesus, you know what you're right, I mean why should we have balance between builds or even between archetypes? Fuck it, just leave bv in fact why not just double the damage since balance clearly doesn't matter to you, it's totally ok for bv to be the only competitive skill apparently in your world.

Why are you even discussing the skill gem balance at all if you apparently believe that nerfing one op gem shouldn't also come with nerfs to other op gems? This is a discussion primarily about skill gem balance and basically you're saying you don't give a shit about balance at all, you just want to make sure melee can't play the game.