Lab Pollpendium - With Fraud Detection

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

Links are hidden for security reasons. This is the most accurate poll ever. It is uncorruptable even with cheaty programs. Once you vote, thats it. Unlike the other poll, this one id accurately representative of those willing to vote, unlike the other one which was obviously rigged to make it seem like the vocal minority was much larger than in reality.

Well see the problem here is that this poll's results pretty much mirror the strawpoll.

So maybe we can just accept that people don't like lab now as fact, or do we have to go to "you must msg me to vote" as the next poll? I wonder how many polls there will be before people accept the facts? As if the threads here and on reddit weren't indication enough.

Personally, I don't feel like this poll is any more or less valid than the strawpoll. I'd tell you it's time for you people to wake the fuck up, but honestly I'm pretty sure we all knew the "supporters" of lab were really just profiting from lab runs to begin with.

"Vocal minority", lol. If I wanted to, I could easily spam vote this poll just like any strawpoll, but let's not go into that.

Let me ask you what is the DISADVANTAGE of moving ascendancy points somewhere that isn't lab? Why does making lab optional result in POE being a worse game than it currently is? Provide me a reason.

You appear to be misunderstanding. I dont care if lab stays the same or changes. In fact it is only beneficial to me that lab never changes. I could care less what the poll says, as long as the poll makes it clear on what specifically people dislike instead of a broad generalization of lab as a whole. In reality people dont dislike lab, they dislike parts that are entwinned with the lab mechanic. That is an entirely different story. AC points will never be removed from lab. That being said changes to Izaro, or traps are always a possibility if the community makes it known that is something they want.

The entire playerbase could say they want AC points and Lab to be seperate, that doesnt mean it will happen. This is because it is GGG job to do what is best for the game, not what the people think is best for the game. What is best for the game is that AC and Lab are entertwined.

Finally, less than 50 votes per poll in 10 hrs is far more realistic than the trash strawpoll with nearly 1700 votes in 10 hrs.

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Jgizle wrote:

The entire playerbase could say they want AC points and Lab to be seperate, that doesnt mean it will happen. This is because it is GGG job to do what is best for the game, not what the people think is best for the game. What is best for the game is that AC and Lab are entertwined.

Based on what logic? What does ascendancy being linked to lab add to POE that couldn't just as well be added by separating them?

This is fake logic frankly, there is no justification for this viewpoint whatsoever.

Furthermore if GGG really wanted to do what's best for their game they would see that 2/3 of the people playing the game don't like lab and would make it optional, but it still wouldn't change the fact that separating the two mechanics has nothing to do with the game's success or failure. This isn't brain surgery. Your viewpoint has no ground to stand on from any of the 10 angles you could try to take. There's nothing.

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Jgizle wrote:

Links are hidden for security reasons. This is the most accurate poll ever. It is uncorruptable even with cheaty programs. Once you vote, thats it.

lolkek
just voted twice with zero effort

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silumit wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

Links are hidden for security reasons. This is the most accurate poll ever. It is uncorruptable even with cheaty programs. Once you vote, thats it.

lolkek
just voted twice with zero effort

Yeah I knew this was going to be the case anyways.

Bottom line, the poll is not as important as the fact that there is no justification for leaving ascendancy points tied to lab, even if this poll didn't mirror the strawpoll in the first place.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

The entire playerbase could say they want AC points and Lab to be seperate, that doesnt mean it will happen. This is because it is GGG job to do what is best for the game, not what the people think is best for the game. What is best for the game is that AC and Lab are entertwined.

Based on what logic? What does ascendancy being linked to lab add to POE that couldn't just as well be added by separating them?

This is fake logic frankly, there is no justification for this viewpoint whatsoever.

By seperating them you trivilize obtaining Ascendancy. If you understand power creep you understand that is bad for the game. Lab is the only mechanic where you can pay for a carry and still fail. This is because no matter what you still have to progress through lab, and put your time into it. This means the power you are gaining is worked for. Some have to work less than others, the challenge varies depending on your build. But in the end you do not gain that power for free. This is not like jewels where you just place a passive point and socket a jewel and gain power for no effort at all. The power provided by every AC node is far superior to any single passive tree node in the game.

So you need to work for it. I dont care if your build demolishes Lab or if your build can not do lab. No matter what Lab is doable with any build, even if you need to group up and have a friend kill while you gear up specifically to bypass traps.

Power creep is destroying this game. The game will not be balanced for AC until Act 5 gets released, which was the plan as stated by GGG. Ascendancy was intentionally not balanced and as such it is only logical that they married AC and Lab to make obtaining AC a challenge and a time consuming process. The entire point of AC was to create vuild diversity, and nothing was balanced accordingly. The only balance Ascendancy received was making unpopular AC nodes more viable so that it was balanced between how many people went 1 path or the other in the AC tree.

Do not advocate for removal of AC points from Lab unless you have properly thought about the repurcussions of doing so. All your doing is whining that something challenging is finally in the game and you dont want to do it.

Dont even say "I can do lab, i just dont like it", or "trap gameplay is not rpg gameplay" or "lab is not fun". Challenges thatvare difficult are not supposed to be fun for every one. The rewards how ever more than make up for the time spent.

You got a gold mine in lab. It is your 1 stop shop for everything you desire and need, besides exp gain, which is what maps are intended to be for. You cant always get what you want, and this is one desire you will never see cone to fruition.

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Jgizle wrote:

By seperating them you trivilize obtaining Ascendancy.

False again, there is literally no proof of this whatsoever.

In fact, there are plenty of things equally or more dangerous and less annoying than lab already in the game that could easily be the place to get your ascendancy points. Not even going to read the rest of the book you wrote when the premise is completely false.

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The_Reporter wrote:

Nope. No effort at all. A few pesos and it's done. No risk, no difficulty

So what part of the main story is more risky?

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silumit wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

Links are hidden for security reasons. This is the most accurate poll ever. It is uncorruptable even with cheaty programs. Once you vote, thats it.

lolkek
just voted twice with zero effort

Lab pollpendium - with fraud detection, I guess that means that it actually worked the way it was supposed to because fraud was detected but ignored? HAHAHAHA

Sad babies cry, happy babies don't.

This pattern translates perfectly to any other scenario.