Lab Pollpendium - With Fraud Detection

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The_Reporter wrote:
I dunno, ScrotieMcB.

Honestly, it is possible that I'd actually be more likely to go in there occasionally if I knew that it were no longer forced. It's because my personality type is Lawless-Renegade
Well, you're just pointing out that when I say "no other changes," that's impossible. Move the Ascendancy points with "no other changes" and inevitibly someone will point out how that's strictly less reward. Simply saying that creates a reward for contrary "lawless renegade" personalities who will do something purely to spite anther person's ideas; simply saying that is a change. Therefore, it's no longer strictly less reward.

But I'm not sure if those folks would be as diehard in their forum presence as you anti-lab folk have been. If there's no one telling you it's less reward, then there's no one to be contrary to. You can't troll a wall, you need people to do that, and the same is true of troll fantasies. So if they shut up about it, if the attention dies... then your reward dries up as well.

But I figure as long as goetzjam is still posting here, you'd enjoy yourself tremendously.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
Apparently I write books.

Anyway, the questions are bad. 3 and 4 aren't feedback questions, they're suggestions questions, and I'll say right now that most people have no idea if they'd enjoy something they haven't tried, or not enjoy it.

I will say this though: no one will enjoy the Lab more if Ascendancy points were earned elsewhere (no other changes). The game, maybe, but the Lab, no. That's like saying people would enjoy beer more if they took the alcohol out. I get that some of you guys don't like the taste of beer and would rather get your alcohol from an alternate source, but you obviously do not enjoy a thing you never, ever consume.


I never said you wrote BAD books. You do write a lot about game theory and the likes of it.

It's like every few months a new forum batman comes along and think they are the champion that this game needs and that they are pioneering some new line of thought.

Just letting him/her know that is not the case.

Many people have come on this forum and give a LOT of good criticism and analysis and there is never a word of it actually reaching anyone. Not once have I ever seen that level of interaction between devs and forum dwellers for this game (not counting during beta).
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1. Do you enjoy Lab itself in its current state (disregarding AC points being tied to it)

Yes.

2. Do you enjoy how Ascendancy Points are Gained?

No.

3. Would you enjoy lab more with less trap quantity?

No.

4. Would you enjoy lab more if Ascendancy Class points were gained elsewhere?

No.

5. Is Izaro too difficult?

This is a tough question. His helpers add a lot of difficulty, but that is cool difficulty that you can get better at with practice, so I don't think they make him too difficult. The goddess adds difficulty that is just plain annoying, I don't enjoy that part of the fight at all. But I wouldn't say it's too difficult either. Izaro himself can be very difficult in terms of damage per hit and HP - but those are just EHP/dps checks. I don't really like that sort of difficulty, so I voted 'yes' in the poll. But it just means you have to wait to fight him until your EHP and dps are high enough, and if they are then it's definitely not too difficult.
Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756
Last edited by dudiobugtron#4663 on Oct 14, 2016, 3:35:25 PM
This 'poll' is not representative of anything but the participant's recklessness. One must be a fool to click on links to completely unknown destinations intentionally hidden behind the URL abbreviation service.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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The_Reporter wrote:
I dunno, ScrotieMcB.

Honestly, it is possible that I'd actually be more likely to go in there occasionally if I knew that it were no longer forced. It's because my personality type is Lawless-Renegade
Well, you're just pointing out that when I say "no other changes," that's impossible. Move the Ascendancy points with "no other changes" and inevitibly someone will point out how that's strictly less reward. Simply saying that creates a reward for contrary "lawless renegade" personalities who will do something purely to spite anther person's ideas; simply saying that is a change. Therefore, it's no longer strictly less reward.

But I'm not sure if those folks would be as diehard in their forum presence as you anti-lab folk have been. If there's no one telling you it's less reward, then there's no one to be contrary to. You can't troll a wall, you need people to do that, and the same is true of troll fantasies. So if they shut up about it, if the attention dies... then your reward dries up as well.

But I figure as long as goetzjam is still posting here, you'd enjoy yourself tremendously.


You misunderstand my point.

I honestly don't get any enjoyment out of the narrow mindedness of some of those vocal minority lab defenders. It provides me with no joy AT ALL.

IF there were another ALTERNATIVE way (much more difficult) than the lab+trap+trials annoying nonsense to ascend, then I may be more likely to wander around in the labyrinth as a content option.

It's not optional now. That's the main reason it's a crappy non-option for me.

I'm not like those guys. I gain NO pleasure from another user's misfortune. Don't tell me I'm going to gain some sick satisfaction from that guy's posting here.
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The_Reporter wrote:
It's not optional now. That's the main reason it's a crappy non-option for me.

It's more optional than Hillock, Brutus, Merveil, Kraityn, Fidelitas, Alira, The Weaver, Oak, Vaal Oversoul, Piety, Piety again, Dominus, Voll, Kaom, Daresso, Piety again, Doedre, Shavronne, Maligaro, Piety and Malachai, and Malachai.

While all of those are less optional than Lab, it makes zero sense to complain about how non-optional Lab is.
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1. If you dont want to click the links just post your responses here. I got no reason to put malware in a fake poll, that i do not host and have no control over other than the questions and the choices.

2. The goal of the post is to make more specific changes to lab easily identified for GGG without having to take what little time they have to read through hundreds of pages of responses on the topic. Even if onlyba minority wants changes, the small changes can easily be implemented if GGG feelsnit would improve the gaming experience for the entire community as a whole.

3. The point of the poll is not to generalize the resilts as a representation of the entire community. Its to label specific areas of improvement to make it quite clear what specifically is disliked. Then GGG can make changes as needed.



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Nykken wrote:
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The_Reporter wrote:
It's not optional now. That's the main reason it's a crappy non-option for me.

It's more optional than Hillock, Brutus, Merveil, Kraityn, Fidelitas, Alira, The Weaver, Oak, Vaal Oversoul, Piety, Piety again, Dominus, Voll, Kaom, Daresso, Piety again, Doedre, Shavronne, Maligaro, Piety and Malachai, and Malachai.

While all of those are less optional than Lab, it makes zero sense to complain about how non-optional Lab is.


All of the things you mentioned are excellent content in comparison.
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Jgizle wrote:
1. If you dont want to click the links just post your responses here. I got no reason to put malware in a fake poll, that i do not host and have no control over other than the questions and the choices.

2. The goal of the post is to make more specific changes to lab easily identified for GGG without having to take what little time they have to read through hundreds of pages of responses on the topic. Even if onlyba minority wants changes, the small changes can easily be implemented if GGG feelsnit would improve the gaming experience for the entire community as a whole.

3. The point of the poll is not to generalize the resilts as a representation of the entire community. Its to label specific areas of improvement to make it quite clear what specifically is disliked. Then GGG can make changes as needed.


The poll is useless. The results are not random and the administration of the poll is not a trusted source. The actual destination URL's for the links are hidden and clicking on such links is a poor and dangerous idea.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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The_Reporter wrote:
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Nykken wrote:
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The_Reporter wrote:
It's not optional now. That's the main reason it's a crappy non-option for me.

It's more optional than Hillock, Brutus, Merveil, Kraityn, Fidelitas, Alira, The Weaver, Oak, Vaal Oversoul, Piety, Piety again, Dominus, Voll, Kaom, Daresso, Piety again, Doedre, Shavronne, Maligaro, Piety and Malachai, and Malachai.

While all of those are less optional than Lab, it makes zero sense to complain about how non-optional Lab is.


All of the things you mentioned are excellent content in comparison.

Lab is objectively better designed than most of the main story content.
Challenges are more telegraphed yet still more difficult, the payoff is more rewarding, the lore is more easily consumed, and the experience is more varied.
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