[2.6] THE NEW FAKENER | DISCHARGE | SUPER FAST STRANDS | Cospris Malice | 9k+ ES | STILL GREAT AOE

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primaeva wrote:

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RabzH wrote:

There are some things i dont understand in this build

What determines how often my coc discharge procs? i find it that i have barely any crit and sometimes i have to spin for like 5 secs before i discharge.

also what procs the discharge on the Cospri's malice? does it need to be shield charge or does cyclone do that aswell?

also i linked a life leech gem but it isnt working sometimes? does it not apply through ghost reaver to es? i dont understand whats going on really, tried putting it in the volls and in the malice but i dont know what happened

last question, how do you guys deal with single targets? i find myself rarely doing any damage to them or not even proccing discharge sometimes, and idk what is up with leech

1) You have two ways of firing off a Discharge.

#1 is the Discharge on Cospri's WHENEVER you crit with either Shield Charge or Cyclone.

Now, for Shield Charge and mapping, your ascendancy is totally wrong. 25% chance to Crit on shield charge becomes 50% when you charge into a fresh pack of monsters - IF you took the right ascendancy (Ambush). This is what gives Assassin Cospri's its clearspeed - you only need 50% crit to blow up fresh packs.

#2 is the Discharge in the chest, which procs only when your Cyclone crits. Why 6L is important is because you very likely have crap accuracy on gear - and you are missing close to 20% of your attacks. A 6L allows you to insert accuracy and land hits and crits properly. 90% is essential for smooth gameplay. Even 85% will stutter.

Fix these two things and your gameplay will smoothen out lots. The last 2 ascendancy points also make things move much faster (bosses under 35% health are screwed basically).

The Life Leech on Cospri's will leech more because it can proc every 250ms as opposed to the chest which can only do it every 500ms. However, you're losing a lot of DPS from not using Increased AoE or Conc Effect (the latter is how you melt single targets).

Finally, the MOST important thing - you don't have the helm enchant that gives you a 30% chance to NOT consume Power/End charges. This is huge. It means whenever your Cospri's fires, your chest Discharge does nothing.

Since that is an expensive upgrade, I recommend you colour your 5L Voll's to have one more green socket and one less blue. Stick a 20/20 Additional Accuracy in there and you'll be able to kill bosses much faster. For your shield charge, put in Additional Accuracy and Incr Critical strikes.

Why aren't you using Blasphemy Warlords Mark? Do that, and dump the Life Leech gem altogether.

Once you've done a few of those things, the build will come online and you're part of the God Tier clearspeed club.

P.S. please also ditch those life flasks and roll Diamonds. Diamonds basically increase your chance to crit AND the chance for your Discharge to crit dramatically - particularly at lower levels of gear. So much of your tree is devoted to defense because of bad ES pieces, that your offense barely kills stuff. A diamond flask is like a 1c boost to that offensiveness.

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Atrav wrote:

Great build, loving it so far. But one issue...... How is the OP be able to run all those auras? I have the same exact helm set up with a level 3 Enlighten gem and I don't have enough mana to run those two purities and discipline at the same time. What I am doing wrong? I would like to run a Herald of Ice, Discipline and Purity of Fire+Lightning set up. Is that possible?

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primaeva wrote:

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RabzH wrote:

There are some things i dont understand in this build

What determines how often my coc discharge procs? i find it that i have barely any crit and sometimes i have to spin for like 5 secs before i discharge.

also what procs the discharge on the Cospri's malice? does it need to be shield charge or does cyclone do that aswell?

also i linked a life leech gem but it isnt working sometimes? does it not apply through ghost reaver to es? i dont understand whats going on really, tried putting it in the volls and in the malice but i dont know what happened

last question, how do you guys deal with single targets? i find myself rarely doing any damage to them or not even proccing discharge sometimes, and idk what is up with leech

1) You have two ways of firing off a Discharge.

#1 is the Discharge on Cospri's WHENEVER you crit with either Shield Charge or Cyclone.

Now, for Shield Charge and mapping, your ascendancy is totally wrong. 25% chance to Crit on shield charge becomes 50% when you charge into a fresh pack of monsters - IF you took the right ascendancy (Ambush). This is what gives Assassin Cospri's its clearspeed - you only need 50% crit to blow up fresh packs.

#2 is the Discharge in the chest, which procs only when your Cyclone crits. Why 6L is important is because you very likely have crap accuracy on gear - and you are missing close to 20% of your attacks. A 6L allows you to insert accuracy and land hits and crits properly. 90% is essential for smooth gameplay. Even 85% will stutter.

Fix these two things and your gameplay will smoothen out lots. The last 2 ascendancy points also make things move much faster (bosses under 35% health are screwed basically).

The Life Leech on Cospri's will leech more because it can proc every 250ms as opposed to the chest which can only do it every 500ms. However, you're losing a lot of DPS from not using Increased AoE or Conc Effect (the latter is how you melt single targets).

Finally, the MOST important thing - you don't have the helm enchant that gives you a 30% chance to NOT consume Power/End charges. This is huge. It means whenever your Cospri's fires, your chest Discharge does nothing.

Since that is an expensive upgrade, I recommend you colour your 5L Voll's to have one more green socket and one less blue. Stick a 20/20 Additional Accuracy in there and you'll be able to kill bosses much faster. For your shield charge, put in Additional Accuracy and Incr Critical strikes.

Why aren't you using Blasphemy Warlords Mark? Do that, and dump the Life Leech gem altogether.

Once you've done a few of those things, the build will come online and you're part of the God Tier clearspeed club.

P.S. please also ditch those life flasks and roll Diamonds. Diamonds basically increase your chance to crit AND the chance for your Discharge to crit dramatically - particularly at lower levels of gear. So much of your tree is devoted to defense because of bad ES pieces, that your offense barely kills stuff. A diamond flask is like a 1c boost to that offensiveness.

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Fire309 wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

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RabzH wrote:

There are some things i dont understand in this build

What determines how often my coc discharge procs? i find it that i have barely any crit and sometimes i have to spin for like 5 secs before i discharge.

also what procs the discharge on the Cospri's malice? does it need to be shield charge or does cyclone do that aswell?

also i linked a life leech gem but it isnt working sometimes? does it not apply through ghost reaver to es? i dont understand whats going on really, tried putting it in the volls and in the malice but i dont know what happened

last question, how do you guys deal with single targets? i find myself rarely doing any damage to them or not even proccing discharge sometimes, and idk what is up with leech

1) You have two ways of firing off a Discharge.

#1 is the Discharge on Cospri's WHENEVER you crit with either Shield Charge or Cyclone.

Now, for Shield Charge and mapping, your ascendancy is totally wrong. 25% chance to Crit on shield charge becomes 50% when you charge into a fresh pack of monsters - IF you took the right ascendancy (Ambush). This is what gives Assassin Cospri's its clearspeed - you only need 50% crit to blow up fresh packs.

#2 is the Discharge in the chest, which procs only when your Cyclone crits. Why 6L is important is because you very likely have crap accuracy on gear - and you are missing close to 20% of your attacks. A 6L allows you to insert accuracy and land hits and crits properly. 90% is essential for smooth gameplay. Even 85% will stutter.

Fix these two things and your gameplay will smoothen out lots. The last 2 ascendancy points also make things move much faster (bosses under 35% health are screwed basically).

The Life Leech on Cospri's will leech more because it can proc every 250ms as opposed to the chest which can only do it every 500ms. However, you're losing a lot of DPS from not using Increased AoE or Conc Effect (the latter is how you melt single targets).

Finally, the MOST important thing - you don't have the helm enchant that gives you a 30% chance to NOT consume Power/End charges. This is huge. It means whenever your Cospri's fires, your chest Discharge does nothing.

Since that is an expensive upgrade, I recommend you colour your 5L Voll's to have one more green socket and one less blue. Stick a 20/20 Additional Accuracy in there and you'll be able to kill bosses much faster. For your shield charge, put in Additional Accuracy and Incr Critical strikes.

Why aren't you using Blasphemy Warlords Mark? Do that, and dump the Life Leech gem altogether.

Once you've done a few of those things, the build will come online and you're part of the God Tier clearspeed club.

P.S. please also ditch those life flasks and roll Diamonds. Diamonds basically increase your chance to crit AND the chance for your Discharge to crit dramatically - particularly at lower levels of gear. So much of your tree is devoted to defense because of bad ES pieces, that your offense barely kills stuff. A diamond flask is like a 1c boost to that offensiveness.

Tbh, I've been debating about dropping LL gem for inc aoe/conc effect for a while now. Thing is, my gear isn't super good, and so my dps is pretty bad compared to you, or most people playing this build. Therefore, I can't reliably kill bosses under 1 vinktar shot.

I use LL gem to give me survivability in that case. With warlords blasphemy, you only get 0.8% leech, cuz of boss reduced curse effectiveness. Even with conc more multiplier, thats only ~60% more leech from before. Also, hexproof maps will be bad... :D

Thoughts, primaeva? (or anyone else)

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Fire309 wrote:

Tbh, I've been debating about dropping LL gem for inc aoe/conc effect for a while now. Thing is, my gear isn't super good, and so my dps is pretty bad compared to you, or most people playing this build. Therefore, I can't reliably kill bosses under 1 vinktar shot.

I use LL gem to give me survivability in that case. With warlords blasphemy, you only get 0.8% leech, cuz of boss reduced curse effectiveness. Even with conc more multiplier, thats only ~60% more leech from before. Also, hexproof maps will be bad... :D

Thoughts, primaeva? (or anyone else)

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primaeva wrote:

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Fire309 wrote:

Tbh, I've been debating about dropping LL gem for inc aoe/conc effect for a while now. Thing is, my gear isn't super good, and so my dps is pretty bad compared to you, or most people playing this build. Therefore, I can't reliably kill bosses under 1 vinktar shot.

I use LL gem to give me survivability in that case. With warlords blasphemy, you only get 0.8% leech, cuz of boss reduced curse effectiveness. Even with conc more multiplier, thats only ~60% more leech from before. Also, hexproof maps will be bad... :D

Thoughts, primaeva? (or anyone else)

Here's the thing about leech: it scales with damage output.

Let's not talk Inc AoE as that's for mapping where damage and leech isn't a problem.

Let's talk bossing.

The first concept is: leech scales with damage done.

The second is: LL on either chest or Cospri's will only affect that linked Discharge and not the other, so you're not getting the full leech as you may imagine.

Now, with Controlled Destruction, you have 44% MORE spell damage.

Conc Effect is: 59% MORE spell damage.

The damage difference is (144 + 59 ) / (144) = 41% increase in damage done. Let's not forget the 10% spell damage from a 20q Conc Effect which bumps this number up a little bit.

So your leech figures at 2% leech vs your leech figures with Conc Effect and 0.8% leech (0.88% if applied by 20q Blasphemy) aren't as far apart as you imagine - you'll be leeching about 60%++ of the previous amount - but killing the boss about 33% faster - which can mean fitting this into a Vinktar's where damage is multiplied by 1.5x and leech goes up to 20% anyway.

For every tier of content below T16, the bosses can be smacked down within the Vinktar this way.

For guardians, other issues from the gear or fight mechanics probably contribute more to the fight than a discrepancy in leech.

If you WERE planning on facetanking everything - it's not always possible without Vinktar's, and it shouldn't be. Facetanking will never be the domain of Cospri's - it's more for FOTM BV builds which abuse multiple stacks.

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EDIT: oh, just saw the second half of your comment. The idea is to get the boss to within a Vinktar, which is absolutely doable at almost any level of gear as long as you have max level gems.

Looked at your profile.

1) Divine that Cospri's or buy a 14% one. Base attack speed is crucial.
2) Get a ~20q Accuracy, it's one of the best buys for you right now.
3) Most importantly: You're using a Vinktar's that's cutting your damage output by 85% OR MORE. So you've been doing about a quarter / a third of your potential damage. You want a Vinktar's that doesn't proc lightning EE. The 10% penetration one is a huge damage boost.

This is why you felt like you needed LL in there, you're hitting like a baby because of a disastrous setup.

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primaeva wrote:

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Atrav wrote:

Great build, loving it so far. But one issue...... How is the OP be able to run all those auras? I have the same exact helm set up with a level 3 Enlighten gem and I don't have enough mana to run those two purities and discipline at the same time. What I am doing wrong? I would like to run a Herald of Ice, Discipline and Purity of Fire+Lightning set up. Is that possible?

Herald of Ice - 25%
Disc - 35%
Purities - 35% EACH.

Total: 130% mana.

Unless you have >100% mana or spec into more mana reserve nodes, I don't see how you thought this was possible. OP probably only uses 3 of the 4.

(especially when you ignored the ONLY mana reserve node he took in his tree - the one below CI.)

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Atrav wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

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Atrav wrote:

Great build, loving it so far. But one issue...... How is the OP be able to run all those auras? I have the same exact helm set up with a level 3 Enlighten gem and I don't have enough mana to run those two purities and discipline at the same time. What I am doing wrong? I would like to run a Herald of Ice, Discipline and Purity of Fire+Lightning set up. Is that possible?

Herald of Ice - 25%
Disc - 35%
Purities - 35% EACH.

Total: 130% mana.

Unless you have >100% mana or spec into more mana reserve nodes, I don't see how you thought this was possible. OP probably only uses 3 of the 4.

(especially when you ignored the ONLY mana reserve node he took in his tree - the one below CI.)

Yeah I guess I can substitute purity of elements for lightning and fire gems so I can use herald of ice and discipline with it. Herald of ice with gloom effect is just too good to past up.

Just got the 30% not to consume endurance charge enchant and it makes one hell of a difference.