Lab is [Removed by Support]- some answers and feedback

Well if you want to reach tremendous amounts of life regenerated per second, you will need to go with %based regeneration.
Although 100 life per sec is quite a bit from the golem alone I have to say.

Are you implying that with that unique jewel, life regeneration passive double dipp with Zealot's Oath ?

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Fruz wrote:

I think that recovery rate should apply to recharge, not regeneration, right ?

According to this link it applies to ES regeneration: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/4nf4r3/the_beast_fur_shawl_energy_recovery_rate_does_not/

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Fruz wrote:

But even then, 20%*1.4 makes 28%, not enough to reach 4500 ES/s ....

It should be at least 22%. But yes exactly reaching the 4500 - I do not see it either. Even with vitality it is only ~3900 - based on the 11.5k ES claim.

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Fruz wrote:

Although 100 life per sec is quite a bit from the golem alone I have to say.

Yes - it translates to ~1% life regeneration for this build. Using chaos golem vs traps makes more sense though I think.

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Fruz wrote:

Are you implying that with that unique jewel, life regeneration passive double dipp with Zealot's Oath ?

No. What I meant is that (for example) the passive "Golems blood" only gives 1.6% ES regeneration if not using the jewel. But with the jewel that passive also gives 10% ES. Due to that the passive becomes more valuable for a CI build.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Are you implying that with that unique jewel, life regeneration passive double dipp with Zealot's Oath ?

No. What I meant is that (for example) the passive "Golems blood" only gives 1.6% ES regeneration if not using the jewel. But with the jewel that passive also gives 10% ES. Due to that the passive becomes more valuable for a CI build.

Yeah, you get some more ES out of this, but with are assuming about 11k ES, so it was not really interested in that part.

So that chest is pretty strong for ES regeneration, thats interesting.

Thing to note is that if he would have stand in a trap field supported by the green you-take-more-damage uber trap .....

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Let's say--just for the sake of argument, mind you--let's say that perhaps people are TELLING THE TRUTH when they say how they feel about the Lab.

Yeah, I know, crazy, right? Fucking madness, this idea of mine.

Yes, we can all have different opinions, but it's pretty depressing to see the level of hostility and imputations of bad faith on the part of some posters toward players who strongly disagree with how GGG has made the lab a requirement for ascending characters.

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ShaUrley wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Let's say--just for the sake of argument, mind you--let's say that perhaps people are TELLING THE TRUTH when they say how they feel about the Lab.

Yeah, I know, crazy, right? Fucking madness, this idea of mine.

Yes, we can all have different opinions, but it's pretty depressing to see the level of hostility and imputations of bad faith on the part of some posters toward players who strongly disagree with how GGG has made the lab a requirement for ascending characters.

I think they deserve every bit of hostility since they are baiting antagonistic response and playing a passive aggressive game with the forum.

To be fair, I see people making so many new threads about the lab, spamming the forum and having no respect for people who disagree with them.

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diablofdb wrote:

I think they deserve every bit of hostility since they are baiting antagonistic response and playing a passive aggressive game with the forum.

Not sure if "who strongly disagree with how GGG has made the lab a requirement for ascending characters" applies to me but in case it does:
I do not bait antagonistic response - I actually dislike getting antagonistic responses. Nor do I play a game with the forum. So you are clearly in the wrong with your implied statement (the second part of the quote).

Furthermore I have just looked at some of your recent posts. They give me the strong impression that it is you who is baiting antagonistic responses and "playing a game with the forum".

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diablofdb wrote:

To be fair, I see people making so many new threads about the lab, spamming the forum and having no respect for people who disagree with them.

I do not get the impression that you are "fair".

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Fruz wrote:

Well if you want to reach tremendous amounts of life regenerated per second, you will need to go with %based regeneration.
Although 100 life per sec is quite a bit from the golem alone I have to say.

Are you implying that with that unique jewel, life regeneration passive double dipp with Zealot's Oath ?

The goal isn't to get a high hp regen value, the goal is to facetank traps. Traps deal %hp damage so it will be easier to hit enough regen by keeping your max hp low and seeking flat hp regen like stone golem. Then the problem becomes balancing that status while still having enough max hp to survive the monsters and Izaro (although you can just pull an alternate set of equipment out of your stash every time you hit Izaro).

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Nykken wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Well if you want to reach tremendous amounts of life regenerated per second, you will need to go with %based regeneration.
Although 100 life per sec is quite a bit from the golem alone I have to say.

Are you implying that with that unique jewel, life regeneration passive double dipp with Zealot's Oath ?

The goal isn't to get a high hp regen value, the goal is to facetank traps. Traps deal %hp damage so it will be easier to hit enough regen by keeping your max hp low and seeking flat hp regen like stone golem. Then the problem becomes balancing that status while still having enough max hp to survive the monsters and Izaro (although you can just pull an alternate set of equipment out of your stash every time you hit Izaro).

If you don't have enough HP, darts can become a problem, floor spikes I'm not sure.
In uber mobs are lvl 75, no mods but you need a mnimum amount of HP.

We were trying to figure how the guy could reach 4500 ES/s as regeneration, in this context.
This is why I said that reaching such a high value needed not flat but %, it got a bit off topic I guess

Do not worry too much about the hostility here at GGG. They will not even see it anyways. They are too busy monitoring reddit and actually communicating there. This forums is just a wasteland for the ones who remain vigilant to be at their actual forums but they packed up and left ages ago never to be seen again.

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FixLabPLSGGG wrote:

Do not worry too much about the hostility here at GGG. They will not even see it anyways. They are too busy monitoring reddit and actually communicating there. This forums is just a wasteland for the ones who remain vigilant to be at their actual forums but they packed up and left ages ago never to be seen again.

You'd think if your goal was to be heard by GGG and you thought reddit is where that was most likely to happen, that you'd post your feedback on reddit. What's stopping you from doing the logical thing?