Few words about Atlas, new league, nerf exp, prophecy, Melee, etc.

500 chaos to reach lvl 96? And 39500 extra chaos for 4 more levels? Just how many Exalted is this? Hell, Mirrors is this? What kind of math/logic/whatever is this?

Why even bother with dangerous unrewarding T12+ when there is Gorge, Plateau and company?

During races streamers got to lvl 93 SSF in 2 days. Yes, it was with Beyond and stuff but you got a picture. They don't add x10 experience. What are you guys even talking about here?...Considering that Atlas will make your life so much easier as you will be able to upgrade your own maps. I don't quite get it.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

@OP, do you mean that levelling to 100 in Atlas will cost 40 000 chaos in your opinion?

after reaching level 96 a mate of mine spent over 500 chaos worth of currency just rolling maps .. note i said rolling not buying. if we factor in the value of t12+ maps oh which he ran hundreds if not thousands .. then yeah ... 40,000k chaos sounds about right.

Yeah that is kinda his fault though. If he would have run just Plateau and Gorge (and honestly for XP you don't even need to roll them, just Alc is enough to usually get enough currency and maps to buy another Gorge or Plateau.

But honestly since most of their XP changes affect chars above 95 I don't really care about it. I'm not even sure if I ever played a char above 90, I think not.

I do dislike the way the did it, because it makes the higher maps unattractive, but thats basically all.

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During races streamers got to lvl 93 SSF in 2 days. Yes, it was with Beyond and stuff but you got a picture. They don't add x10 experience. What are you guys even talking about here?

Getting from to 93 needs 2,4 billion xp. Getting from 93 to 100 needs 1,8 billion xp. And thats with getting less and less xp from maps. I would say that getting from 1 to 93 is a lot easier than getting from 93 to 100.

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Why melee has no good side? Why nerf melee so hard? For what?

1) I suspect there is an inherent issue with phys dmg to element types conversion and they fear that increasing physical dmg would allow ranged chars to be even more OP.
2) Secondly I suspect that we don't know what are most tankiest builds possible (while still maintaining DPS in range of 10Ks) and that increasing meele defences even more would lead for those builds to be completely immortal.

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Zeleene wrote:

You complain about the exp loss. You dont even play HC. The exploss is fine.

Wait, if i dont play HC then i cant give opinion about exp nerf? Wut?

And can you explain that logic? Everyone SHOULD play only HC? I have got few characters 100 lvl, always all challenges done, always doing craft even if im unlucky every time and get no return, still continue craft, run so many maps and mods you never even seen and i dont have right talk about nerf exp? WTF?

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Filousov wrote:

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Why melee has no good side? Why nerf melee so hard? For what?

1) I suspect there is an inherent issue with phys dmg to element types conversion and they fear that increasing physical dmg would allow ranged chars to be even more OP.
2) Secondly I suspect that we don't know what are most tankiest builds possible (while still maintaining DPS in range of 10Ks) and that increasing meele defences even more would lead for those builds to be completely immortal.

1. Why not buff base damage on gems, or add more support gems for melee only, or create new node that affect only phy part of damage, or many many different way to buff melee... why coc and bladefall mines fine and even buffed in last patch but melee you think should not be buffed?
2. Tankiest - coc, it has insane leech and aoe with insane dps, so what? Melee not really any close to be called immortal. Theres even few coc build that use 100% uptime immortal call and flask with buffed effect that make them immortal and they untouched.

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1. Why not buff base damage on gems, or add more support gems for melee only, or create new node that affect only phy part of damage, or many many different way to buff melee... why coc and bladefall mines fine and even buffed in last patch but melee you think should not be buffed?
2. Tankiest - coc, it has insane leech and aoe with insane dps, so what? Melee not really any close to be called immortal. Theres even few coc build that use 100% uptime immortal call and flask with buffed effect that make them immortal and they untouched.

Yeah, definitely some more meele only support gems would be good. To note Bloodlust is not bad at all. I'm now experimenting with Slayer ground slam/heavy strike build with Marohi. What I'm doing is that I ground slam with fortify support gem, it bleeds them by having voidheart ring. Then I come close and use Heavy strike with bloodlust gem. This is basically HUGE DPS boost for bosses and it's very practical.

Moreover I have been experimenting with meele phys on full HP also while lvling the build. I can say it's not absolutely reliable. But with my current state of high and fast leech with Slayer, I'm inclined to believe that it's the correct 6th gem to use.

Therefore following linking:
GS -> Meele phys -> FA -> added fire -> fortify -> meele phys on full HP
Heavy strike -> meele phys -> FA -> added fire -> bloodlust -> meele phys on full HP

Is what is very likely one of very optimal setups. And if you are really on full HP, this is doing massive physical dmg. Maybe current meta with multistrike is just all wrong.


If only Tora's causes bleeding on hit was actually also her craftable option as suffix! That would buff meele a lot.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

@OP, do you mean that levelling to 100 in Atlas will cost 40 000 chaos in your opinion?

after reaching level 96 a mate of mine spent over 500 chaos worth of currency just rolling maps .. note i said rolling not buying. if we factor in the value of t12+ maps oh which he ran hundreds if not thousands .. then yeah ... 40,000k chaos sounds about right.

Yes, thats what i mean.
Rolling + buying maps + etc tax we paid, if total calculated it would be more or less near to that number.
Lucky will use less ofc, unlucky will use that or more.

I can say as very unlucky in PoE its utterly shit and expensive buying maps... and not fun at all.

PoE make trade into absolute and lesser lesser SSF friendly.

Also, i have played all templar classes and i can speak for sure that EVERY build can feel better/stronger as another class. Templar classes has weak node to make it worthy as other class. One exception Inevitable Judgement node, its very good! But one one node... is it worth it?

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Filousov wrote:

If only Tora's causes bleeding on hit was actually also her craftable option as suffix! That would buff meele a lot.

I don't think that would work out, she would first have to convince Vagan to stop offering the same service, the niche isn't big enough for competition.

just as anecdotal information MangLiWang the 1st to 100 in hc (using shield charge) said that it cost him about 60-80 ex on buying gorges and rolling for 99-100. He may well have had help from his guild for the trading side of things.

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raics wrote:

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Filousov wrote:

If only Tora's causes bleeding on hit was actually also her craftable option as suffix! That would buff meele a lot.

I don't think that would work out, she would first have to convince Vagan to stop offering the same service, the niche isn't big enough for competition.

Yeah, after more research I'm inclined to say that it would require another vagan mod - bleed on meele hit which should be suffix. The prefix general bleeding mod is just too limiting - DPS, etc...

Or limited mod - bleed on meele hit. Can't crit. So that crit meele builds can't benefit from that.

wow ouch.