Feedback and Suggestions - Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!! - Forum

@Icedeal I post on the topics I care about. I care about lab getting fixed. It is natural that I would post in alot of the lab posts. I will make sure to be answering a question or replying to new ideas or such. I will not participate in name calling or hate. I only have one goal. Get the lab fixed. Last edited by FixLabPLSGGG#6375 on Aug 28, 2016, 6:27:07 PM	Posted by FixLabPLSGGG#6375 on Aug 28, 2016, 6:26:42 PM Quote this Post
I like the lab. i do it every day. It's fun when it works. I might be one of the few who like it judging from the 240 threads here with complaints. What i really don't like about it is getting sent to login screen in the very last room with izaro on 5% life with the message unexpected disconnection and my offering is consumed. This has to be fixed so we can continue where we left off. Or if that is not possible the offering reimbursed. Things like this bring out the worst in me and make me not want to do lab again. So that's what i am gonna do now. Stay away from lab for some time. Perhaps buy the latest support pack and hope my donation brings a remedy to lab frustration. Last edited by kompaniet#2874 on Aug 28, 2016, 6:41:45 PM	Posted by kompaniet#2874 on Aug 28, 2016, 6:38:12 PM Quote this Post
" FixLabPLSGGG wrote: Get the lab fixed. The only "fixing" the laby needs is the issue with disconnections relating to the domains bug. Aside from that, laby is perfectly fine as is. Just a lowly standard player. May RNGesus be with you.	Posted by Shovelcut#3450 on Aug 28, 2016, 7:50:57 PM Quote this Post
In an attempt to belittle the meaning of having a large body of posts in this forum on labyrinth, some have claimed that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Here is what Wikipedia says about it. " Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes. Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases. Anecdotal evidence is considered within the scope of scientific method for claims regarding particular instances, for example the use of case studies in medicine because some anecdotal evidence can be both empirical and verifiable, while other anecdotal evidence does not qualify as scientific evidence because its nature prevents it from being investigated using the scientific method. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is an informal fallacy and is sometimes referred to as the "person who" fallacy ("I know a person who..."; "I know of a case where..." etc. Compare with hasty generalization). Anecdotal evidence is not necessarily representative of a "typical" experience as it is a personal testimony; in fact, human cognitive biases such as confirmation bias mean that exceptional or confirmatory anecdotes are much more likely to be remembered. Accurate determination of whether an anecdote is "typical" requires statistical evidence. The term is sometimes used in a legal context to describe certain kinds of testimony. Psychologists have found that people are more likely to remember notable examples than typical examples. When used in advertising or promotion of a product, service, or idea, anecdotal reports are often called a testimonial, which are banned in some[which?] jurisdictions Wikipedia article introduction I assert that the large list of threads in the OP is valid anecdotal evidence for the following positions. - a significant percentage of the player base dislikes the labyrinth, - demonstrates that there's been many problems in the labyrinth, - and it demonstrates how horribly divisive the labyrinth has become for the community. What it doesn't do is give us an accurate percentage of the percentage of the player base that dislikes labyrinth. As an example, it could conceivably be anywhere from 10% to 90%. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on Sep 13, 2016, 3:52:52 PM Quote this Post
I'm not sure why there are threads listed that featured totally valid complains like having to do the Trials for every single character, which are actually done or threads wanting to increase lab randomization... those are not actually indicating a need for removal. I mean there are Threads included that complain about ES damage (which was fine, but ES only counts as 60% now, which is even easier), complains about ES counting with EB (which is fixed), there is a fucking thread in there about someone leaving the lab and not reading the message you get when you try to portal out and this guy leaving the lab without actually collecting the points. Not to mention that similar to the atlas a lot of those threads popped out immidiatly, when Atlas launched it immidiatly pushed the lab threads to the second page because everyone wanted their own thread, featuring exactly the same as 25 or more other threads... which doesn't really do much, because half of them were totally valid and the other half asked for a league restart.	Posted by Emphasy#0545 on Sep 13, 2016, 5:45:10 PM Quote this Post
" Emphasy wrote: I'm not sure why there are threads listed that featured totally valid complains like having to do the Trials for every single character, which are actually done or threads wanting to increase lab randomization... those are not actually indicating a need for removal. I mean there are Threads included that complain about ES damage (which was fine, but ES only counts as 60% now, which is even easier), complains about ES counting with EB (which is fixed), there is a fucking thread in there about someone leaving the lab and not reading the message you get when you try to portal out and this guy leaving the lab without actually collecting the points. Not to mention that similar to the atlas a lot of those threads popped out immidiatly, when Atlas launched it immidiatly pushed the lab threads to the second page because everyone wanted their own thread, featuring exactly the same as 25 or more other threads... which doesn't really do much, because half of them were totally valid and the other half asked for a league restart. It is true that many of the complaints about labyrinth have been fixed or mitigated. To my mind that just emphasizes the second point. "- demonstrates that there's been many problems in the labyrinth," Some problems have been fixed, there are more that still need to be fixed. According to your apparent definition, the only valid complaints are ones that have been fixed. If no one had complained about those that have been fixed, I doubt they would have been fixed at all. My opinion is that some more needs to be fixed. Since some fixes take more time to fix than others, each release fixes some more. Hopefully GGG will continue fixing things when they can. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on Sep 13, 2016, 7:33:38 PM Quote this Post
Figured this list fits here best. I went through the 240ish posts listed in this thread, as well as a few others I came across in both General Discussion and Feedback and Suggestions forums, trying to get a bit of perspective on the numbers of unique people posting. People keep saying only a few people dislike the labyrinth, or want change... and they throw around numbers like 5 or 9 people... got me wondering what it was really like. Also I was bored during downtime at work the past couple days, and felt it would be more fun to do this than play PoE (and it was!). First, these 2 lists were of interest to me. Most of the threads were back-and-forth between these 2 lists of people. (My perception of "Actively", here, was posting in multiple topics on multiple pages of those topics, making up a bulk of the conversations) Have been Actively For Change: Spoiler AceNightfire Regulator Pyrokar Turtledove ShaUrley gibbousmoon Albinosaurus Prebornfetus Zalhan2 The_Reporter Siochan joachimbond dudiobugtron Chadwixx Have been Actively Against change: Spoiler goetzjam sidtherat dickhole_mcghee morbo tin_foil_hat Fruz Xtorma Prisus diablofdb Emphasy Telzen Char1983 Shovelcut mark1030 NeroNoah PleiadesBlackstar The next list of 582 different people posted in support of changing at least one aspect of the labyrinth, such as adding waypoints or adding alternative ascendancy options, or Posted that they find the labyrinth to be not fun, or tolerate the labyrinth, but don't like it, all the way to hating the labyrinth and want it removed asap. To reiterate: This is not a list of all "Lab haters", it's just people who were open to the idea of changing the Labyrinth. Many presented their own ideas, many just +1'd other's ideas or their feelings. People in the list include the active ones above. I may have included names of people who have since changed their minds, or I may have missed some threads where others have commented about changing the labyrinth. I ignored posts simply about difficulty killing Izaro and the nightmare that is helmet enchants. The list is vaguely in alphabetic order (at least a's with a's, but after a while I got tired of alphabetizing and threads started blurring together) There were 131 thread starters that I took note of with a + after their names, but that was not the focus of my search, I wanted to see unique posters (most of whom did not post their own threads, and many times only posted 1 time on the subject on the boards at all). 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Wp_blitzi + wftico wweeep wyll Xanin + Xentec6 Xeroxoul XibalbaL Xirgu xjjanie xriegg YellowMage yungwhiz Z_Fighters ZaeN zalfargia Zalhan2 Zaludoz Zaximus704 Zed93 Zee Zephryl Zeriph Zims911 ZINIAO zorroaster Zrevnur	Posted by Zaludoz#6325 on Sep 14, 2016, 11:26:04 PM Quote this Post
" Zaludoz wrote: Figured this list fits here best. I went through the 240ish posts listed in this thread, as well as a few others I came across in both General Discussion and Feedback and Suggestions forums, trying to get a bit of perspective on the numbers of unique people posting. People keep saying only a few people dislike the labyrinth, or want change... and they throw around numbers like 5 or 9 people... got me wondering what it was really like. Also I was bored during downtime at work the past couple days, and felt it would be more fun to do this than play PoE (and it was!). First, these 2 lists were of interest to me. Most of the threads were back-and-forth between these 2 lists of people. (My perception of "Actively", here, was posting in multiple topics on multiple pages of those topics, making up a bulk of the conversations) Have been Actively For Change: Have been Actively Against change: The next list of 582 different people posted in support of changing at least one aspect of the labyrinth, such as adding waypoints or adding alternative ascendancy options, or Posted that they find the labyrinth to be not fun, or tolerate the labyrinth, but don't like it, all the way to hating the labyrinth and want it removed asap. To reiterate: This is not a list of all "Lab haters", it's just people who were open to the idea of changing the Labyrinth. Many presented their own ideas, many just +1'd other's ideas or their feelings. People in the list include the active ones above. I may have included names of people who have since changed their minds, or I may have missed some threads where others have commented about changing the labyrinth. I ignored posts simply about difficulty killing Izaro and the nightmare that is helmet enchants. The list is vaguely in alphabetic order (at least a's with a's, but after a while I got tired of alphabetizing and threads started blurring together) There were 131 thread starters that I took note of with a + after their names, but that was not the focus of my search, I wanted to see unique posters (most of whom did not post their own threads, and many times only posted 1 time on the subject on the boards at all). That's great! I've added a few sentences in the OP. Let me know if you don't want your account name mentioned there or if you'd like something added or changed. Good job! Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on Sep 15, 2016, 12:05:32 AM Quote this Post
If you're going to use that list, change "582 different people" to "582 different accounts". We all know some people posted with more than one account in some of those threads. Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN> Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com Last edited by mark1030#3643 on Sep 15, 2016, 12:49:27 AM	Posted by mark1030#3643 on Sep 15, 2016, 12:47:56 AM Quote this Post
" mark1030 wrote: If you're going to use that list, change "582 different people" to "582 different accounts". We all know some people posted with more than one account in some of those threads. I looked and it says accounts? The update on the OP update is 9:21 which is well before your post. I do appreciate your suggestion though. I remember fixing a typo immediately after posting so maybe your suggestion is something that I also fixed then??? I really don't remember for sure. :-) (BTW, I only know of one person that has probably posted with more than one account.) Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on Sep 15, 2016, 1:06:58 AM Quote this Post