Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Razis wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

Like I stated before, if they do remove ascendancy from the lab it won't effect me at all, and I am all for everyone being happy.( although I am not naive enough to think that they will not just move their crusade over to something else, some people will never be happy) There is a small part of my wicked personality that would love to see how many of these crusaders actually follow through on their threats to leave.

A lot of games are going to take a hit here soon, as No Man's Sky is dropping.

To a point, I can agree with this sentiment. Some will always find stuff to complain about. On the other hand, I think Lab really is one of those issues that goes beyond the scope of "forum crusaders" and their endless complaints. It really is a problem.

guys, people have already followed through. Look at the numbers. Hc suffered from lab. It's a fact.

That's the main thing that's bothering me. I'm ranting myself not because I'm bothered that much about the traps, I'm ranting because I see it's about the trap mechanics (which are terrible no questions asked, but digestable) and don't wan't hc people to leave.

About the people that will never be happy and forum crusades is all time job for them, you should pay attention, because it turns out it actually also works the other way around. There are tons of fanboys that will crusade against the crusaders even though they have no solid argument.

So just as some people will attack the game for the sake of attacking, some people will defend for the sake of defending.

tldr: Hc pop is suffering. Trap mechanics is the issue. Struggle is real.

HC suffers far more from other "facts" but completely ignore those because it is convenient for you.

And is it too hard to present those other "facts"?

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goetzjam wrote:

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Razis wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

To a point, I can agree with this sentiment. Some will always find stuff to complain about. On the other hand, I think Lab really is one of those issues that goes beyond the scope of "forum crusaders" and their endless complaints. It really is a problem.

guys, people have already followed through. Look at the numbers. Hc suffered from lab. It's a fact.

That's the main thing that's bothering me. I'm ranting myself not because I'm bothered that much about the traps, I'm ranting because I see it's about the trap mechanics (which are terrible no questions asked, but digestable) and don't wan't hc people to leave.

About the people that will never be happy and forum crusades is all time job for them, you should pay attention, because it turns out it actually also works the other way around. There are tons of fanboys that will crusade against the crusaders even though they have no solid argument.

So just as some people will attack the game for the sake of attacking, some people will defend for the sake of defending.

tldr: Hc pop is suffering. Trap mechanics is the issue. Struggle is real.

HC suffers far more from other "facts" but completely ignore those because it is convenient for you.

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Pyrokar wrote:

And is it too hard to present those other "facts"?

I'd love to see those other facts too. Even though they would be coming form a guy that clearly doesn't care about hc.

btw in case you missed it, it's not convenient to me. I stated multiple times I'm cool with traps the way they are. Those are shamefully bad mechanics, but I won't personally quit because of them. Would be cool if you started to listen. Unless you can't. (seems like you're unable tbh.)

/edit: I just hope GGG can.

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Razis wrote:

I'd love to see those other facts too. Even though they would be coming form a guy that clearly doesn't care about hc.

btw in case you missed it, it's not convenient to me. I stated multiple times I'm cool with traps the way they are. Those are shamefully bad mechanics, but I won't personally quit because of them. Would be cool if you started to listen. Unless you can't. (seems like you're unable tbh.)

/edit: I just hope GGG can.

I've said it a number of times, but I guess I gotta repeat myself.


Fact 1 performance last league was utter shit, it cause many deaths that was simply "unfair and unfun"
Fact 2 some popular streamers alternate leagues, its only "right" to assume they have a playerbase that follows them
Fact 3 There are no differences anymore between the leagues, one is "one death" while the other is not.
Fact 4 Economy, while the SC economy is shit the HC economy is shit too, in HC you might sell items and make ok amount of currency, but the exalt ratio is "too low" for the exalts to be special and saving up for a larger item can be "too costly"


The fact is you think the lab has even a slight merit compared to the rest of these proves how your attention span is short.

HC players want CHALLENGE LEAUGES, not free fucking loot pinatas, there was a very good reason why the leagues were different, with the leagues being the same GGG cant push the content to be difficult in SC temp league or the people that can't handle it will quit. These "optional" leagues are fucking terrible, its like a new ladder reset with no other inventive to play, it goes against the very foundation that the game was based upon. Challenge leagues are there to test invasive content for the core of the game. Anarchy (exiles), beyond, nem, bloodlines even.


But yeah its totally the lab, these other factors can't possibly be more important and play a much larger role in the picture.

You mean other facts like no data from when they stopped having separate challenges and rewards for hardcore players? You can't blame anything on the lab without knowing the numbers from Talisman (pre lab + combined challenge league). You're just seeing the correlation you want to see instead of being objective and acknowledging your conclusion is not based on any factual data.

Those can be (and in fact are) factors, but Lab is the biggest problem. Simple as that.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

Those can be (and in fact are) factors, but Lab is the biggest problem. Simple as that.

Yes, you've proven that with all those numbers you've quoted. I stand correctd.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

Those can be (and in fact are) factors, but Lab is the biggest problem. Simple as that.

Yes, you've proven that with all those numbers you've quoted. I stand correctd.

Don't you know its up to you to prove him wrong.

EleGiggle

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Albinosaurus wrote:

Those can be (and in fact are) factors, but Lab is the biggest problem. Simple as that.

Stating opinion as fact erodes credibility. You may absolutely be right , but if you can not prove it you leave yourself, and your argument open to attack. bring foreword enough evidence to back up your assertion , and the folks that are debating you will need to address facts, and not speculation.

Performance issues are a problem and make many hc players quit, but hc was alive for years through desync. I don't believe that these issues deter hc players from playing as they build to withstand them.

Talisman was the first league that had the same rewards for sc and hc? It definitely wasn't as underpopulated as this league and i believe, like when sc players joined the hc leagues to get the hc rewards, hc players joined the sc league to get the sc rewards.

Anyway, mark is right, we don't have the real numbers. Even GGG didn't provide population, but time played so we can't really compare. All i can say is that hc prophecy was dead by week 3 and the most demanded thing on trade and global chats were lab carries. That's why i made that correlation. Could be wrong, but i doubt it.