Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Turtledove wrote:

We're up to 220 threads now. I don't have the list of authors for threads 1 to 206 but my guess is that the last 14 threads seems to follow the general characteristics of the first 206 threads. That is:

There's 173 total accounts responsible for 206 threads. Of the 26 accounts with multiple threads, those 26 thread authors account for 58 of those threads.

Personally, I would much rather see fewer threads than more threads. So if you would like to say something about labyrinth then if reasonable say it in an existing thread would be my personal preference. Regards,

If GGG announces no change to AC in 2.4 are you going to stop posting about it?

As a general point of information but not meaning to address any specific individual or any beetle in particular, I do not make promises to Internet trolls.

list is impressive, make no mistake (thx OP you're da real mvp) but you guys should also note that not every one is a forum-warrior and people also just quit without saying a word.

If I didn't see the stats from playtime from the last league showing how hc is seriously hurt since ascendancy came out, I wouldn't pay attention to the threads by their own. It's down by 1/3 since nemesis btw.

A third of hc players is alot. I see how people that play standard mostly just don't care because it's about 1/10 of total playerbase for them, but hc is seriously hurt.

What I don't get though is why people defend the lab like it's the best possible thing ever. They either fail to see how many players have a problem with it - or if they do notice, they fail to acknowledge that that tenth of players might actually be right and how there actually might be room for some serious improvement in the trap % ehp dps departament.

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Razis wrote:

If I didn't see the stats from playtime from the last league showing how hc is seriously hurt since ascendancy came out, I wouldn't pay attention to the threads by their own. It's down by 1/3 since nemesis btw.

A third of hc players is alot. I see how people that play standard mostly just don't care because it's about 1/10 of total playerbase for them, but hc is seriously hurt.

Nemesis had a challenge set dedicated to HC ( or couple of them, don't remember exactly ).
No, I don't think that Lab is significantly responsible for this, but we lack stats, like we don't know the % of the HC population in Talisman.

Lab start bringing the "deadly" feeling there was a bit everywhere in wraeclast couple of years ago, that's a good thing.
And it cannot please everybody yes, many different things in this game will please different kind of people.

In the history of POE has any other topic brought this much division. Tons of ppl are making posts that have never posted before just to tell their story on lab

Like I stated before, if they do remove ascendancy from the lab it won't effect me at all, and I am all for everyone being happy.( although I am not naive enough to think that they will not just move their crusade over to something else, some people will never be happy) There is a small part of my wicked personality that would love to see how many of these crusaders actually follow through on their threats to leave.

A lot of games are going to take a hit here soon, as No Man's Sky is dropping.

Trust me if we get to 3.0 or 3-6 months pass and nothing is done I absolutely 100% will leave POE and giveaway my items. Most of which should goto a certain person I promised but havent seem that person in ages either and might have quit. I got a couple good items. You can look at my character. I got a really nice unset ring with shield % and evasion % and a 6 link victarios influence I was using in my animate weapon summoner build. Quote me on it. Can absolutely make this statement because I stand by what I say. Fix the game. I got hundred games on steam I can play over POE like the other POE. Pillars of Eternity. Gud fun

I uninstalled the game since Prophecy announcement(more Lab). If nothing is done regarding the Lab in 2.4, POE will definitly be dead for me.

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Xtorma wrote:

Like I stated before, if they do remove ascendancy from the lab it won't effect me at all, and I am all for everyone being happy.( although I am not naive enough to think that they will not just move their crusade over to something else, some people will never be happy) There is a small part of my wicked personality that would love to see how many of these crusaders actually follow through on their threats to leave.

A lot of games are going to take a hit here soon, as No Man's Sky is dropping.

To a point, I can agree with this sentiment. Some will always find stuff to complain about. On the other hand, I think Lab really is one of those issues that goes beyond the scope of "forum crusaders" and their endless complaints. It really is a problem.

Speaking for myself, there are a few things that really bother me about this game:

1. Lab (Obviously). This one is actually bad enough that I haven't actively played since about two weeks after Prophecy released. This is mostly due to the anti-alt elements of it.

2. The game has many elements that make it feel like a solo game, or rather, anti-community/anti-multiplayer. This alone wouldn't keep me from playing, but it does hurt the experience.

3. Trade. This used to be a much bigger deal to me until poe.trade became the norm. I always found there to be an odd contradiction in design to have so many anti-multiplayer elements in the game and then balance it around trade. Either way, this doesn't keep me from playing either. It's just something I would like to see improvements on.

There are other, smaller things, and none of those would keep me from playing, so I can honestly say that Lab really is the make-or-break element of this game for me right now, and I'm just lingering around until I see what 2.4 brings.

If they do nothing to fix the issue, I probably won't be playing next League--or any others until they fix it--unless I just want an occasional nostalgia fix and play one character to high level before I quit again. It goes without saying that I have no reason to buy anything from their store any more if I'm not going to be playing, so they will be losing a customer as well as a player if that is the case. That's no idle threat either, and I'm not trying to hold my spending hostage over Lab fixes. It's just fact. If I don't enjoy the game enough to play it a lot, I won't have a reason to spend on it.

Regardless of the skewed "minority/majority" view that some of this forum's WKs hold over the issue, there are lots of people who share these sentiments, and it only hurts GGG to lose us this way.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

Like I stated before, if they do remove ascendancy from the lab it won't effect me at all, and I am all for everyone being happy.( although I am not naive enough to think that they will not just move their crusade over to something else, some people will never be happy) There is a small part of my wicked personality that would love to see how many of these crusaders actually follow through on their threats to leave.

A lot of games are going to take a hit here soon, as No Man's Sky is dropping.

To a point, I can agree with this sentiment. Some will always find stuff to complain about. On the other hand, I think Lab really is one of those issues that goes beyond the scope of "forum crusaders" and their endless complaints. It really is a problem.

guys, people have already followed through. Look at the numbers. Hc suffered from lab. It's a fact.

That's the main thing that's bothering me. I'm ranting myself not because I'm bothered that much about the traps, I'm ranting because I see it's about the trap mechanics (which are terrible no questions asked, but digestable) and don't wan't hc people to leave.

About the people that will never be happy and forum crusades is all time job for them, you should pay attention, because it turns out it actually also works the other way around. There are tons of fanboys that will crusade against the crusaders even though they have no solid argument.

So just as some people will attack the game for the sake of attacking, some people will defend for the sake of defending.

tldr: Hc pop is suffering. Trap mechanics is the issue. Struggle is real.