Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Oh by the way, if you want some math on top of that.

Theres 12 million registered accounts. According to GGG its pretty consistent that only around 1% of players hit maps.

That means that roughly 120,000 players are hitting maps. This would be considered the most active users.

Lets say for one moment that each of those threads were unique users, that means only 200 people posted a complaint. Thats about 0.00167% of 120,000 people who are actively playing.

However, we know that many of those threads are created by the same handful of users, soo in fact it is significantly less than 0.00167%

And by total user standards even less than that. Its a handful of people, stop trying to say it isnt.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

The pitch has been thrown. They're up to bat. Let's see if any are willing to take a swing.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Oh by the way, if you want some math on top of that.

Theres 12 million registered accounts. According to GGG its pretty consistent that only around 1% of players hit maps.

That means that roughly 120,000 players are hitting maps. This would be considered the most active users.

Lets say for one moment that each of those threads were unique users, that means only 200 people posted a complaint. Thats about 0.00167% of 120,000 people who are actively playing.

However, we know that many of those threads are created by the same handful of users, soo in fact it is significantly less than 0.00167%

And by total user standards even less than that. Its a handful of people, stop trying to say it isnt.

These numbers are meaningless.

Going by "registered accounts" is the wrong approach. It doesn't account for people who basically "demo'd" the game, people who made alt accounts, spammers, bots, etc. You might be closer to the mark if you could look at active users, but we don't have definite figures for that, because there is some overlap, and the only charts we can access are on Steam, and those are only useful for identifying trends, not absolute figures.

Further, because you cannot know the actual number of people who like/dislike Lab, and many people on both sides of the issue never visit the forums, you don't get to count them on your side just for convenience.

As for the actual number of people on the forum itself, I see a lot more people who dislike it than the GGG WKs who try to make it sound otherwise. This experience is confirmed in game too. However, this is just as anecdotal as that of the WKs. Turtle has made an effort to make it substantial--quantitative--while the WKs have not.

The pitch has been thrown. They're up to bat. Let's see if any are willing to take a swing.

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mark1030 wrote:

While we're talking about the meaning of amiguous numbers, when looking at the number of unique posters making lab threads, did anybody look at join dates or determine if anybody created threads using alternate accounts? Not that it matters much, but just like straw polls, anybody can make alt accounts to skew results.

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goetzjam wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

While we're talking about the meaning of amiguous numbers, when looking at the number of unique posters making lab threads, did anybody look at join dates or determine if anybody created threads using alternate accounts? Not that it matters much, but just like straw polls, anybody can make alt accounts to skew results.

Some of these lab haters make it their goal apparently to try and make the issue appear larger, as if that would somehow force GGG's hand. They aren't stupid, they can see IPs of these accounts, they can see the dates they were created, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that while some people dislike the lab, its far more then OP or anyone that dislikes it is making it out to be.

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mark1030 wrote:

While we're talking about the meaning of amiguous numbers, when looking at the number of unique posters making lab threads, did anybody look at join dates or determine if anybody created threads using alternate accounts? Not that it matters much, but just like straw polls, anybody can make alt accounts to skew results.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

While we're talking about the meaning of amiguous numbers, when looking at the number of unique posters making lab threads, did anybody look at join dates or determine if anybody created threads using alternate accounts? Not that it matters much, but just like straw polls, anybody can make alt accounts to skew results.

I did check the account names I didn't recognize, none on the list in the OP seem to be new alts. Now if they are old alt accounts, who knows. Most of them had fairly high level characters though. :)