[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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Kelvynn wrote:
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meyogi wrote:
Nice! Congrats man! I just had my first try, it went miserably sadly.. Got 1 hit by his Teleport slams. Couldn't stand in zana's bubble as there were some of those vortex things below her, there was once even, when I died and came back, zana died by the mobs shaper spawns, and he went into that chaos mode and I had no zana's bubble to survive in. And my personal favorite death was when I thought I was inside the bubble (had to stand at the edge since had vortexes inside), turns out I wasn't inside the bubble and got 1 hit. haha!

Shall come back to try again once I've got my leech enchant on boots and level 3 enlighten!

The Shaper fight requires some practice. If you lose control over the arena, it can become unwinnable very quickly.

Flasks:

This is what I use. Chemist's Sulphur flasks of Heat provide 2x4x5 sec of chill immunity (40% inc dmg doesn't hurt either). Sapphire flasks provide 3x2x6 sec of extra cold resists plus side benefits. At least one should be Staunching because you can randomly get Rigwald as one of the 4 minis, and bleed/corrupt trash between the main Shaper fights, and you really don't want that to cost you any portals.

You have two free sockets from switching to the Purity setup: blue and green, or even 2 blues (depending on what you do with AA). Bring Vaal Discipline (or two; I use one) as your 'oh shit' button. You don't need it for the first Shaper fight, and it will charge from the trash after that.

The vortexes: they spawn as the floating balls on the outer edges of the arena and trigger by proximity. When you get within some distance of them (about 1/3 of the arena radius) they notice you and start chasing you. When they touch you they turn into the vortex on the ground. So the main thing there is to prevent them from turning into vortexes in the center, where Zana does her protective bubble thing. If a ball is chasing you, touch it and turn it into the vortex somewhere on the outer edges of the arena. If you are facetanking the Shaper somewhere not in the middle, you can ignore the balls/vortexes landing on you and just outleech them. But be aware that they chill you (use flasks).

Teleport Slam: DO try to run away. I think it hits much harder in the epicenter. A direct hit will 1-shot you (unless you are really well geared or pop Vaal Disc), but getting hit by its outer edge is very survivable with moderately decent gear (I have 8.5k ES in the league).

Portal: Protect Zana!!! The adds can't really hurt you, but they go after Zana, and if you let them get her down then she can't protect you against the next 'total chaos' phase. If you are not on top of the portal yet, the first thing you do is cast Icestorm on Zana, run to her and keep casting on her to kill the adds that rush her. Then slowly move your target towards the portal and move there yourself. You want to be standing on top of the Shaper by the time Zana closes the portal.

Facetanking vs Dodging: try to facetank as much as you can. Shaper has a very small melee radius, but when you are in it (i.e. standing right next to him) he will melee you instead of firing the ball barrages or using teleport slam. He will use the laser beam regardless of where you are, but that's the weakest of his attacks and you can outleech it easily with PoI, or adjust your position slightly to move out of it. HOWEVER: do not facetank without preparation! You must always have Orb placed near the Shaper and at least 1 Icestorm cast on him before leaping onto him to facetank. At the start of each fight you can go stand on his toes while he's busy talking. But after he breaks contact ('total chaos' phase, or he gets taunted by a golem and goes to teleport-slam on it) you must dodge his next attack, get near him again, pop the Orb, cast Icestorm and then leap and facetank him again. Repop the Orb often.

Pure dodging approach is less safe because he uses more dangerous attacks against range attackers (teleport slam, ball barrage) and because you lose precious time not DPSing him while dodging, as the arena gets trashed by the vortexes.




Thank you for all the extra tips you gave me man! I finally did it!!! :D


I had to wait till I leveled since I was already 50% by the time my enlighten leveled.
Took me so long to attempt again because of my enlighten, but it was worthwhile in the end. :)

btw did you try to calculate your dps ?

With Elementalist I'm calculating ~3.1 million dps (assuming 0 resist and that all icecicle hits the same target which is not true). That's why I didn't take any increase area node because the explosion area doesn't seem to change, hence I can pump my single target dps like this. Did you try ?

Note: calculation done with 1820 INT with level 93 tree and all 20/20 gems (+728% spell dmg in total).
Last edited by reliq#6999 on Oct 5, 2016, 10:41:03 PM
Hi Kelvynn, сan you advise what version of build is better overall your elementalist or inquisitor, which you play on essence? Thanks.
You have huge lag of INT - an good Ice Storm Witch Easy hit 2k - 2,2k Int
and had much more dmg then 10k - i personal hit 44k Ice Storm Dmg, the ather thing is
to use Rare Items is an waste of potential since you can easy go full Unique items and have an full bonus from your rings wich add you 3% Int for each Unique item. ES lag with Uniques ? not really you can easy hit over 10k. Res lag ? Nope i easy run 7 Auras and im on each map max res - you have much more potential :)
Then 6l armor is not required? can invest in a high ES 5l one better?
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meyogi wrote:
Thank you for all the extra tips you gave me man! I finally did it!!! :D


I had to wait till I leveled since I was already 50% by the time my enlighten leveled.
Took me so long to attempt again because of my enlighten, but it was worthwhile in the end. :)

Grats!! :)

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reliq wrote:
btw did you try to calculate your dps ?

With Elementalist I'm calculating ~3.1 million dps (assuming 0 resist and that all icecicle hits the same target which is not true). That's why I didn't take any increase area node because the explosion area doesn't seem to change, hence I can pump my single target dps like this. Did you try ?

Note: calculation done with 1820 INT with level 93 tree and all 20/20 gems (+728% spell dmg in total).

I did try to calculate the real DPS back in 2.1. There is a Firestorm Calculator (iirc it's linked in the Wiki article on either Firestorm or Icestorm). But it's bugged, there is a wrong formula in it. The data on boss resists is also not verified. And then Ascendancy came out, and it all got really complicated.

So now I just compare how fast some big target dies to this build and to a build whose tooltip shows their actual DPS. There was a video of a Shaper kill by a godly geared CI Reaver, the kind that can push 1.5 mil dps. I think the Shaper was going down at about the same speed as in my Inquisitor's video.

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OrinRus wrote:
Hi Kelvynn, сan you advise what version of build is better overall your elementalist or inquisitor, which you play on essence? Thanks.

The definition of 'better' depends on your goals, what you like and don't like to do in PoE. I usually recommend trying the Witch first if you haven't played WI before, because she's all around awesome, and near-immunity to reflect is very addictive. But if your main target is Uber Lab then Scion is the fastest, or if you are seriously considering going for lv 100. And I've only been playing the Templar for 3 weeks, but I suspect that he may be the strongest boss killer of the three (I didn't even think about his +55% casting speed when I picked that class, but boy can he stack Icestorms on that Shaper!)


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Banshu wrote:
Then 6l armor is not required? can invest in a high ES 5l one better?

Correct. This build only needs 5L. If you happen to get a 6L chest then it's a luxury QoL upgrade: you put Orb of Storms into the 6th socket and have both the Orb and CWDT BL curse everything. But that's not really necessary.


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Creds wrote:
You have huge lag of INT - an good Ice Storm Witch Easy hit 2k - 2,2k Int
and had much more dmg then 10k - i personal hit 44k Ice Storm Dmg, the ather thing is
to use Rare Items is an waste of potential since you can easy go full Unique items and have an full bonus from your rings wich add you 3% Int for each Unique item. ES lag with Uniques ? not really you can easy hit over 10k. Res lag ? Nope i easy run 7 Auras and im on each map max res - you have much more potential :)

Pure INT and Icestorm tooltip is not the goal. This build is not a glass cannon. What use is a 44k tooltip when you get 1-shot, or perma-stunned, or perma-frozen, or insta-RIP to any reflective rare you run into?

All-unique versions have been proposed ever since Baalorlord posted the original WI Scion build back in 2.0. But they all had terrible flaws and weren't good for anything but showing off that tooltip. His typical reply to them was, 'How's that Uber going?' - and they'd disappear after that.

So, how's that Shaper going with 44k Icestorm? ;)
Last edited by Kelvynn#6607 on Oct 7, 2016, 2:47:13 PM
Have any tips for defeating the Gorge boss? I can't seem to dodge out of his way fast enough and I get instakilled with 7432 ES
Guide updated. Welcome the Templar/Inquisitor and Crystal Belts. New videos and a big boss guide.

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faelanae wrote:
Have any tips for defeating the Gorge boss? I can't seem to dodge out of his way fast enough and I get instakilled with 7432 ES

You aren't supposed to dodge him. Are you using AA? Fortifying? Using the curses? I didn't have any trouble with him on either of my chars. But if he is killing you then bring Granite and Basalt flask and treat him like Rigwald or Chimera.

Added Gorge to the boss guide.
Last edited by Kelvynn#6607 on Oct 7, 2016, 1:44:19 AM
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Kelvynn wrote:

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reliq wrote:
btw did you try to calculate your dps ?

With Elementalist I'm calculating ~3.1 million dps (assuming 0 resist and that all icecicle hits the same target which is not true). That's why I didn't take any increase area node because the explosion area doesn't seem to change, hence I can pump my single target dps like this. Did you try ?

Note: calculation done with 1820 INT with level 93 tree and all 20/20 gems (+728% spell dmg in total).

I did try to calculate the real DPS back in 2.1. There is a Firestorm Calculator (iirc it's linked in the Wiki article on either Firestorm or Icestorm). But it's bugged, there is a wrong formula in it. The data on boss resists is also not verified. And then Ascendancy came out, and it all got really complicated.

So now I just compare how fast some big target dies to this build and to a build whose tooltip shows their actual DPS. There was a video of a Shaper kill by a godly geared CI Reaver, the kind that can push 1.5 mil dps. I think the Shaper was going down at about the same speed as in my Inquisitor's video.



I did the calculation myself actually, it's not complicated but a bit long.
Inquisitor is doing more dps in theory (20% more) due to the higher Cast speed, but i didn't account for the time it takes to use leap slam every 4sec. So at the end, I think witch is better, the dps is similar but much better defense to reflect.

For sure the effective dps is over 1M+

note: regarding the increase AOE, I found this video posted today on reddit. This applies to icestorm and not increasing the AOE will increase your single target dps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6IipGTmwzE
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Kelvynn wrote:
Guide updated. Welcome the Templar/Inquisitor and Crystal Belts. New videos and a big boss guide.


Awesome build man, Kindly add your essence league gear too also add after X months of playing.
Last edited by gruumine#5054 on Oct 7, 2016, 3:39:03 AM

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