This Game is not for me, Leaving Feedback/Leaving Game

Yeah, rofl that tag at the bottom confused me. xD

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Prisus wrote:

There is fun to be had in this game, but the fun in the game ONLY begins after having bad experiences.

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grepman wrote:

seems you want a 'plug and play' 'out of the box' experience of just killing hordes of monsters for loot (snip) D3 does all of this way better than probably any arpg out there.

Just pointing out some "um, what?" moments in PoE defenders. It's hard to imagine these things as anything but negatives, and they're worth improving on.

PoE's steep learning curve and lack of tutorials reminds me of 1990s Magic the Gathering. To get into that game you either needed to be a massive nerd, or get tutored by someone who already knew the game. Even if you loved the game you knew, deep down, that your odds of getting a friend interested were well under 50% due to the massive amount of information necessary to play competently, much less well.

It's something which MtG has worked on improving over time. Has PoE?

I have to agree with this. PoE has not become much more fun or understandable for beginners since I began playing it over three years ago.

For that reason alone, I failed to suck in any of my friends. After a while I just gave up trying.

GGG could do any number of things to change this situation without compromising the long-term "hardcore" nature of the game. (A rat-filled basement tutorial linked to the first town? --j/k --but only partially kidding; a tutorial would be great!) Many of the game's mechanics still seem to be hardcore "for the sake of being hardcore." Esoteric in service to e-peen. I find that especially obnoxious, even after understanding the esoterica myself.

Sorry to sound so harsh, but it really is something the game could get better about, and then draw in new players more easily.

Thanks for the reply.

You're a D3 player, and you don't like that PoE is complicated...

Welp, sorry mate, but there is only one answer to that - who'd expect? :V

If you like D3 more, just play D3. Quite simple, really.

And your claims of people playing PoE being bad at D3... Sigh. You contradict yourself (and I can only assume you are doing so more than once, since I haven't read this whole wall of text). You write that you do not understand the game, and find it hard and punishing, and admit that you are viewing it from D3 "friendly" perspective, only to go on in the next segment, saying that people from PoE are dying in D3 CON-STANT-LY. :V

Problem is lack of tutorials hints while playing just as all modern games have this game does not. GGG wants to implement it but can't anytime they try to make this game more accessible to new players the community comes to trash them accusing them of RMAH, Pay to Win among other retarded accusations.

They are right this game is not for you and not for millions of people.

I remember how they all talked out of their ass about this game this game is a carbon copy of D2 and at the same time FREE yet only managed to get 5 million downloads. You would think all those early D3 adopters crying day and night on the Blizzard forums would have flocked to POE turns out they can't stand the nasty Diablo 2 style of gaming in this day and age they were all talk.

Perq, please quote me where I said that PoE players are bad at playing Diablo 3? I do not believe I contradicted myself...


I said nothing of people from Path of Exile dying in Diablo 3?

Sorry for the long wall of text, but I do believe you misread in entirety my feedback.

i've read your entire post, and even though i might not agree with everything you said, i do understand your position and enjoyed its calm, reasonable and very literate wording.

Certainly, a change after so many emotional rants some people put here.

Good luck with other games you are and will be playing.

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Ltlandpa1 wrote:

Perq, please quote me where I said that PoE players are bad at playing Diablo 3? I do not believe I contradicted myself...


I said nothing of people from Path of Exile dying in Diablo 3?

Sorry for the long wall of text, but I do believe you misread in entirety my feedback.

I stand corrected - re-read (with your additional explanation what you meant) and now I understand. :V Sorry bout that!

Other than that - people who pick one of two (or more) things will always defend the one they chose. It is only natural. Is it as common among D3 players, as it is in PoE community? Hard to tell, really.
Friend of mine left a comment about not liking D3 on page other than their official forums, and got REALLY toxic response (and he wasn't just trolling them).

You will find idiots and valuable people on both sides - that is how it is. You will find people that say it is ok to like and play both games (even at once) and you'll find psycho-fans, who'll fight for their beloved until they reach maturity (again, both sides). Lol.

So don't worry - just play whatever you feel like. You saying that PoE needs some more tutorial and accessibility is good thing, too. Its something I was complaining about for ages now, but it seems it doesn't go with what GGG has planned for the game very well. :=P

3 thoughts.

1) It seems like a lot or most of your frustrations are from running into what many call a 'knowledge barrier'. Essentially a wall that, if you are on the 'I don't know how this works' side, heavily and negatively impacts both your character's power level, and your fun levels. And getting over that wall results in tons of power, and a lot more fun.

That knowledge barrier is probably more punishing in this game than in any other. For instance, in Diablo 3, if you don't know that CHD is better on your amulet than 20% cold damage, you're missing out on some damage. But it doesn't invalidate your character - you can still play the game, just maybe 4 GRs lower than you could with the 'correct roll'.

In PoE, a couple wrong decisions like this is the difference between dying in T1 maps and being able to do T10 maps (non capped resistances to name one).

I say this in the hopes that you might stick around. While it can be difficult, time consuming, and at times punishing to hurdle the knowledge barrier - it is quite rewarding on the other side. And it sounds like you're getting there.

2) You said that D3 players/forums were nicer to PoE than vice versa. You seemed to back off that a bit towards the end in an edit, but as someone who has been in both games since the beginning, I have to chime in. 80% of the threads I've seen on the D3 forums even the MENTION of Grim Dawn or PoE or anything else gets immediately shut down with 'lol shit game' 'gtfo and post on their forums' 'we don't care' and you know the rest.

It happens here too, but I would rate D3 as a bit worse in this area - not much, but a bit worse. I don't spend time in the 'general chat' of either game, so maybe we have different experiences there.

3) I've always been kind of 'whatever' on the subject of this game needing a tutorial, but after reading your post, I'm really leaning towards wishing the game had one now.