SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

Right, tell me what else is new, 'learn by dying' kind of artificial difficulty is as uncommon in PoE like ticks on a rhoa. Lab is but a tip of the iceberg.

I told you what's new. The way traps work in conjuction with what i said. Can't overlevel etc. Also nr 3 is new in regards to what you responded. I don't wanna bother repeating. Read if you want to understand.

I'd also like to add that never before the labyringh was added had hc chars have to run a series of stat ignoring "fight sequences" in order to progress without dying and without any network hickup. It's like they forgot that hc existed and that they had an always online game when they implemented this shit. In hc you just don't do lab, that ignores defenses, when ggg's servers are losing packets. You will just die and while you might see sc people complaining about losing 10 minute lab runs, hc people lose 50 hour+ characters. It's definitely not the same. When you play regular content and net seems fishy you just tp out. Not in this sc favouring mario bullshit though.

In short. Lab is terrible design for a hardcore online game such as poe.

Edit: Ah i forgot they removed the "hardcore" from their description about the game. I guess it's all fine then. Enjoy your softcore "don"t touch the stove, it's hot" softcore mario bullshit.

So, you don't think there's something there that doesn't quite click? You play HC for the thrills and then complain that it isn't possible to eliminate ALL difficulty from the game one way or the other? What's the point of playing HC if nothing can kill you short of falling asleep?

I think HC players should be thankful for the lab, there isn't much content so early that can keep you awake.

Edit about edit: So, it never occurred to you that HC in PoE was actually one big joke all along so they stopped designing the game around it? Something like SSF, you aren't meant to do that if you like optimal experience but if you really want to, go ahead.

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raics wrote:

So, you don't think there's something there that doesn't quite click? You play HC for the thrills and then complain that it isn't possible to eliminate ALL difficulty from the game one way or the other? What's the point of playing HC if nothing can kill you short of falling asleep?

I think HC players should be thankful for the lab, there isn't much content so early that can keep you awake.

Edit about edit: So, it never occurred to you that HC in PoE was actually one big joke all along so they stopped designing the game around it? Something like SSF, you aren't meant to do that if you like optimal experience but if you really want to, go ahead.

Don't tell me why i play hardcore. I like the challenge, the fights and the hc build theorycrafting. Not "any" kind of thrill. Also i didn't say anything about eliminating all difficulty or the other stuff you said. That's only in your head.

You asked how lab is a sc mario bullshit and you got the answers.

And it seems that not only hc, but the whole game is a joke to them, since they brought mario shit into it. It never occured to me but now it did. Thank you.

No problem, serving the fatherland even when it brings me no pleasure.

I don't play HC but like I said, labyrinth seems to have a special hatred in the hearts of many HC players. They've given many reasons and it's obviously heartfelt disgust.

Maybe "wannabe HC players" hate the lab ?
I mean, as Raics said, it's the piece of content where you can ignore different elements by over gearing/leveling or cheeing them the least of the game after all ...

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Pyrokar wrote:

I told you what's new. The way traps work in conjuction with what i said. Can't overlevel etc

<=> can't eliminate all difficulty one way or another.

I think that it's what Raics meant.

Raics assumed that hc players are just thrill junkies that accept any challenge that brings them thrills. There is more to hc than that.

And yes overleveling content is something that should exist in an arpg content. It doesn't make sense that my 8k hp 75% block 15k armor lvl 95 char that has invested so much into defense, as a concious choice, dies as fast in normal lab traps as a lvl 28 new player that just stumbled upon lab in his first char with probably only offensive passives in his build. If you can't see how this promotes the most softcore mario gameplay and decision making for your char then i can't help you any further.

Also, read what i said before. Facts are facts and lab is terrible design for hc.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Raics assumed that hc players are just thrill junkies that accept any challenge that brings them thrills. There is more to hc than that.

Well, there are also those that do it for the bragging rights, those that do it to force themselves onto a more balanced investment because the game becomes a shitshow if you go full offense, and the economy is a bit better than in SC.

But those are all fringe cases more or less specific to PoE, the primordial reason for playing HC is to increase the stakes to up the thrills which forces you into more deliberate risk-gain evaluation, nothing more. Lab mechanics play right into that, you have a risk and you have a reward, it's actually highly suitable for HC because the risk factor is more static, you always know what to expect.

These are all assumptions.

So let me ask you this. Should my 95 char that i mentioned before be dying to normal dominus? Why should normal lab be any different?