SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Jgizle wrote:

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shaunus wrote:

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2000 ÷ 70000 is 2.8% but i am nice and say 3%. There are not 2k people who have said they dislike lab. Lab haters are a minority. This is all assuming the playerbase has not grown at which point that 3% is likely to grow closer to 1% (which is a more realistic figure than the 3% above).

Actually you cannot claim that they are or aren't a majority.
All we know is that they are a majority of the people that voted on that poll.
You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the community thinks because simply put you haven't got any information to support your claim (or deny it for that matter).

So stop pulling stuff out of your bum to try to argue this point. There are a lot of people that dislike the labyrinth and in particular dislike the attempt at moving hardcore mechanics into softcore.

Wheres your evidence, at least i got concrete numbers.

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Jgizle wrote:

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shaunus wrote:

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2000 ÷ 70000 is 2.8% but i am nice and say 3%. There are not 2k people who have said they dislike lab. Lab haters are a minority. This is all assuming the playerbase has not grown at which point that 3% is likely to grow closer to 1% (which is a more realistic figure than the 3% above).

Actually you cannot claim that they are or aren't a majority.
All we know is that they are a majority of the people that voted on that poll.
You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the community thinks because simply put you haven't got any information to support your claim (or deny it for that matter).

So stop pulling stuff out of your bum to try to argue this point. There are a lot of people that dislike the labyrinth and in particular dislike the attempt at moving hardcore mechanics into softcore.

Wheres your evidence, at least i got concrete numbers.

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Jgizle wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay.
GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet.
It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it.

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Xavathos wrote:

This entire argument is pointless.

Even if EXACTLY 50% liked and 50% disliked the Lab.

The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay.
GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet.
It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it.

You can voice your dislike of it, but remember that nobody comes on forums to say "Hey good job GGG, love the lab!" just like that. The only opinions you find here are negative ones, generally. The few of us that do voice our positive opinions, like me, get stomped on by people who just came here to rant. I don't mind, but you're punching a brick wall, can't you see it?

One of life's greatest lessons is learning to deal with change.
And what a great obstacle it is to some people...

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Regulator wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

This entire argument is pointless.

Even if EXACTLY 50% liked and 50% disliked the Lab.

The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay.
GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet.
It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it.

You can voice your dislike of it, but remember that nobody comes on forums to say "Hey good job GGG, love the lab!" just like that. The only opinions you find here are negative ones, generally. The few of us that do voice our positive opinions, like me, get stomped on by people who just came here to rant. I don't mind, but you're punching a brick wall, can't you see it?

One of life's greatest lessons is learning to deal with change.
And what a great obstacle it is to some people...

But with a very few exceptions (that we dont agree with) we are ok with lab staying in game. We even suggest making it even more enjoyable to run. But why should ascendancies be locked behind it? This thread serves to provide alternatives, in order for the lab to be truly optional content and not forced like it is now. Or at least put an different option for it to resemble normal poe and not this mario clone.

KEEP THE LAB IN GAME, SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS. Get it?

Also without fight or complaints game aint getting better, its getting stale. Thank people around the forums who have the brains, initiative and decency to critisize GGG and their desicions cause those actions are what keep the developers trying for better content.

And thats why every single one shitposting or being hateful against the cause shows how narrow minded he is, because except one single suggestion (thats the easiest to implement though) every single other not only keeps lab the same but makes it better even for players that like it as currently is. There is always room for improvement and in the lab's cause there are whole houses.

Do you like lockstep sir? Guess what, if forums werent full of people shittalking about desync there we would still be stuck with it.

Do you like permanent allocation sir? Guess what, if forums werent full of complaints on how free for all killed their desire to play in parties, free-for-all would still be the only option.

Do you like using premium tabs for easier trading sir or poe.trade (3rd party program but makes the point)? Guess what, if forums werent full of players asking for trade improvements, we would still be using only trade chat to get items spending hours and hours brownsing.

Do you like the new Atlas functionallity? The search box, the highlight etc? Guess what if people didnt ask for them, complain about them and cry out for improvements you would have shit.

So yes be thankful that we (people that give constructive feedback and suggestions) like the game enough to want to see it progress and make the right desicions, desicions that DO NOT AFFECT IN ANY NEGATIVE WAY THE REST OF THE PLAYERS. Get it?

Especially the rest who made it their life goal to only shitpost in this specific thread like they have anything to add, only to antagonize the rest in a daily basis. Yes you know who you are people, beat it. You cant answer that

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How any addition/change/rework in the ascencion method - while keeping it as an option also in the labyrinth - will have any negative effect in anyone's gameplay/personal experience?

you cant provide feedback here. So please get the fuck out of here and let us continue trying to improve the game, nobody forces you being here, nobody forces you to click on the thread, simply ignore it and let it serve its purpose which after 7 months you still cant figure out for fucks shake.

And unless you have some new idea or alternative for the opening post please fellow comrades do not bumb it for bumb's shake. Dont give no reason to fools to bash a noble cause. Thank you and appreciated your help, but we aint gonna magically force a change by keeping a thread alive if GGG cant/wont/dont want to improve this aspect of the game or listen to reasoning. They are aware of some issues, they have made promises in the past, they have even said they will adress the questions at least we players have, we cant do anything more but wait till they man up and at least give some info and answers (that moment may never come considering their cowardish and/or ignoring attitude). Please dont feed the trolls (PoE IS NOT an ARPG!) no more, its getting beyond sad to see a handful of fartheads shitposting everyday just to derail the thread or kill the purpose (they cant anyway). So please follow GGG's tactic/policy and ignore those antagonizing trolls dont respond to doomsayers and bullies. Thank you.