SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

[Removed by Support], you need to try eating some poop.

If you don't like the poop and eat it too slowly, keep eating poop until you get faster at eating it. You'll truly love poop eventually. I promise.

I know that you've been 4 years of eating only steak and potatoes, but for only 15 minutes at a time, each day eat some poop. It's only 15 minutes of your day. Don't be lazy and eat the poop.

What? It takes you 45 minutes to eat some poop? Well, eat poop for a couple hours for a few weeks and before you know it, it will take less than 20 minutes to eat poop and you'll begin to enjoy it too!

I like your response better than what I was going respond. So let's just go with that. Only here's a legend for those that may not grasp your meaning.

LEGEND
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Poop represent labyrinth
eating poop represents running through the labyrinth content

If someone would like me to expand on the translation further then please let me or Casual_Ascent know.

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Again you are interpreting things like you want. You presented the ladder as proof, it shows that some people need 45min+ and now you say these people had no knowledge. Please present some proof that these players had no knowledge, otherwise your whole argumentation is just bad. And just because some people dont need 45 minutes doesnt mean everyone needs less then 45 minutes. Please stop using your videos as proof, because those are made by people who play poe all day...

So yes, you still can't prove that Chris meant initial runs. There are enough people who still need 40+ minutes to finish the lab, if you like it or not.

Do the lab yourself though and tell me it honestly takes you 45 min to do it.

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It had something to do with the thread and your argumentation. You say that there is no rewarding experience if you put AC points behind Malachai, becuase content can be facerolled. But that's because the story content is just to easy (except merc malachai). If they would make the story content challanging, then AC points behind Malachai could feel very rewarding and the good thing is, players could achieve them with the classic playstyle.

And my suggestion isn't meant to make things easier. Just different. I already said that those rooms, that are filled with monsters, could have random map mods (like reflec) and therefore the player had to plan ahead. This would consume time and make the alternative lab very dangerous, but it would be perfectly in line with the classic gameplay.

Why would they change the leveling\core of the game to be more difficult when people did nothing but complain until normal and cruel malachai was nerfed to irrelevance. They tried to make the boss challenging and people complained, it isn't possible to revert that so you can put AC points behind it.

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Yeah, that's where we think alike I guess. Flaming doesn't contribute much to a topic and this thread is full of that. If you would delete all flame posts, this thread would have 20 pages at max, lol.

Likely there are multiple people in this thread that just insult me because I don't support shitty ideas of how to change the lab. Instead of discussing anything they are talking about eating fucking poop and hot dog racist. Like the lack of moderation in this thread is pathetic at best.

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A game is supposed to be fun and if you add content that will probably not be liked by many, you should try to make it 100% optional (like Atziri).

Thats like saying masters are perfectly fine because they are optional, they weren't because people that used them exploited the market and even went as far as exploiting other things like duping currency.

The game is fun, just because you don't like the specific encounters that are nothing but a few of the however many min of the lab you are actually in doesn't mean the content is unliked by "many" its unliked by people, don't say many as it implies much more then you have numbers to provide.

The content is rewarding and as such you will do it.

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And there you are wrong. Like I said: many here (including me) finished the lab multiple times now, all alone. Some of those runs were also pretty smooth and I managed 25 minutes once (a good time for me). But do you think I enjoyed it? No, because I dont play PoE to predict and dodge traps, which ignore the majority of my build defining stats/skills.

So just avoid the traps. I'd love to see someones run that takes more then 15 min to do.

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Like I said: There are m any factors that influence speed:

- Character build
- Map layout
- Internet connection
- League (hardcore vs. standard)
- Player skill/knowledge

I once bought a rush and that took 30 minutes. The leader wasn't really slow. But the layout was just extremely unlucky. Now guess how long it will take for people who are not playing lab ever day and only do it occasionaly for the AC points.

The leader was slow as shit, the leader should know which way to go and which way is the shortest. So in this case it was the blind leading the blind and you still did it in under the 45 min you say it takes.

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I'm still not sure what you want to tell me with that. Are yous uggesting I should avoid the Lab or what?

No, find someone that is actually knowledgeable rusher and get it done quickly so you dont drop out, given your connection issue.

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Depends on your build. Like I said: You are not the avarage. I bet you have many exalts or hudnreds of chaos in your inventory. I bought a death harp (the upgraded version) yesterday for 25c (was 5linked) and now I'm at 2C down again. I only play 1-2 hours a day, so it's also hard to sell stuff (people can't contant me when I'm not online, lol). So making currency is not so easy for me. And I think other working people have the same problem.

All of your smaller currency you find really adds up.

I don't have any exalts right now because I just purchased these:

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

[Removed by Support], you need to try eating some poop.

If you don't like the poop and eat it too slowly, keep eating poop until you get faster at eating it. You'll truly love poop eventually. I promise.

I know that you've been 4 years of eating only steak and potatoes, but for only 15 minutes at a time, each day eat some poop. It's only 15 minutes of your day. Don't be lazy and eat the poop.

What? It takes you 45 minutes to eat some poop? Well, eat poop for a couple hours for a few weeks and before you know it, it will take less than 20 minutes to eat poop and you'll begin to enjoy it too!

mhmm wtf i love poop now !

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goetzjam wrote:

Likely there are multiple people in this thread that just insult me because I don't support shitty ideas of how to change the lab. Instead of discussing anything they are talking about eating fucking poop and hot dog racist. Like the lack of moderation in this thread is pathetic at best.

[Removed by Support] the eating poop analogy was not an insult to anyone. It was a dialogue being stated from the persona of a dung beetle. Dung beetles love eating poop. However, dung beetles have very tiny brains and are not able to grasp the fact that not all other animals love eating poop. When confronted by someone that doesn't like eating poop the kindly (but lacking in self awareness) dung beetle thought that the person must not understand how wonderful eating poop actually was. The poor dung beetle has such a tiny brain that he will never be able to understand that not everyone would like eating poop, even if they practiced.

I really do like how you folded the phrase "shitty idea" into your response though, that goes along really well with the dung beetle theme. Also how you use the phrase "fucking poop" to test my memory of your other coined phrases "fucking business", "fucking power", "fucking lab", and "fucking discussions".

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Turtledove wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Likely there are multiple people in this thread that just insult me because I don't support shitty ideas of how to change the lab. Instead of discussing anything they are talking about eating fucking poop and hot dog racist. Like the lack of moderation in this thread is pathetic at best.

[Removed by Support] the eating poop analogy was not an insult to anyone. It was a dialogue being stated from the persona of a dung beetle. Dung beetles love eating poop. However, dung beetles have very tiny brains and are not able to grasp the fact that not all other animals love eating poop. When confronted by someone that doesn't like eating poop the kindly (but lacking in self awareness) dung beetle thought that the person must not understand how wonderful eating poop actually was. The poor dung beetle has such a tiny brain that he will never be able to understand that not everyone would like eating poop, even if they practiced.

I really do like how you folded the phrase "shitty idea" into your response though, that goes along really well with the dung beetle theme. Also how you use the phrase "fucking poop" to test my memory of your other coined phrases "fucking business", "fucking power", "fucking lab", and "fucking discussions".

lmao

Fucking classic.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Likely there are multiple people in this thread that just insult me because I don't support shitty ideas of how to change the lab. Instead of discussing anything they are talking about eating fucking poop and hot dog racist. Like the lack of moderation in this thread is pathetic at best.

Dearest Goetzjam, the eating poop analogy was not an insult to anyone. It was a dialogue being stated from the persona of a dung beetle. Dung beetles love eating poop. However, dung beetles have very tiny brains and are not able to grasp the fact that not all other animals love eating poop. When confronted by someone that doesn't like eating poop the kindly (but lacking in self awareness) dung beetle thought that the person must not understand how wonderful eating poop actually was. The poor dung beetle has such a tiny brain that he will never be able to understand that not everyone would like eating poop, even if they practiced.

I really do like how you folded the phrase "shitty idea" into your response though, that goes along really well with the dung beetle theme. Also how you use the phrase "fucking poop" to test my memory of your other coined phrases "fucking business", "fucking power", "fucking lab", and "fucking discussions".

lmao

F---ing classic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dung_beetle#/media/File:Scarabaeus_laticollis_2.jpg

Note: I had to edit your response for transgressing into territory reserved for others.

Just had to post I agree with the core of this thread. I hate the lab. I hate it every time I have to run it. It's simply not fun. At all. I know some players enjoy it, but a LOT of players do not (possibly the majority). GGG needs to add some sort of system that gives access to ascendancy for those who do not want to run the lab.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

[Removed by Support], you need to try eating some poop.

If you don't like the poop and eat it too slowly, keep eating poop until you get faster at eating it. You'll truly love poop eventually. I promise.

I know that you've been 4 years of eating only steak and potatoes, but for only 15 minutes at a time, each day eat some poop. It's only 15 minutes of your day. Don't be lazy and eat the poop.

What? It takes you 45 minutes to eat some poop? Well, eat poop for a couple hours for a few weeks and before you know it, it will take less than 20 minutes to eat poop and you'll begin to enjoy it too!

This is a great analogy! Thumbs up!
I hate the lab - it's a piece of shit and I think it does not fit in a game like POE.
I support the OP's suggestions about removing ascendancy points from the lab.
However, I understannd that there are people who enjoy the lab, nothing wrong with that, but why do they have to impose their opinion on us?

GGG should not remove ascendarypoints from a LAB. Hopefully they keep those in there. People always looking for ''alternative'' options if they arent fully pleasant/too hard/dont wanna play with others in a mmorpg games/ or a people who play less and less effective should rewarded as someone who put more time and play it more effective in a sametime amount as they did.

...this list would be longer then ToS in a games.

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lorem331 wrote:

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

[Removed by Support], you need to try eating some poop.

If you don't like the poop and eat it too slowly, keep eating poop until you get faster at eating it. You'll truly love poop eventually. I promise.

I know that you've been 4 years of eating only steak and potatoes, but for only 15 minutes at a time, each day eat some poop. It's only 15 minutes of your day. Don't be lazy and eat the poop.

What? It takes you 45 minutes to eat some poop? Well, eat poop for a couple hours for a few weeks and before you know it, it will take less than 20 minutes to eat poop and you'll begin to enjoy it too!

This is a great analogy! Thumbs up!
I hate the lab - it's a piece of shit and I think it does not fit in a game like POE.
I support the OP's suggestions about removing ascendancy points from the lab.
However, I understannd that there are people who enjoy the lab, nothing wrong with that, but why do they have to impose their opinion on us?

hehe i did laugh at a how it was describe, but there is a true point in that message. :)