SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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HeliaXDemoN wrote:

People talk like the "quiet majority" all love the lab.

ha

Apparently the majority of streamer and followers in twitch make up the lab haters because if the majority like the lab, they are in the minority.

No one really knows how many people like the lab. All anyone who actually watches twich know is A LOT of twich followers hate the lab and are angry. Maybe twitch people just hate playing frogger LIKE games.

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HeliaXDemoN wrote:

People talk like the "quiet majority" all love the lab.

ha

It's really difficult to know. I think the poll linked in the OP is the most quantitative data we have. However, it is flawed because it is not a random sample poll. That is likely to skew it to the labyrinth dislike side. Also, it uses the IP Address to prevent ballot box stuffing. This last problem, I don't think, was an issue up to about 800 or 900 total votes. The reason I say that is that I occasionally looked at the poll total progress from about 300 to the 800 or 900 figure and the new votes were being consistently spread along the same percentages as the old votes. But sometime after that I think someone somehow significantly ballot box stuffed the 10 category (maximum like labyrinth) with over 100 votes. That all being the case, my personal guess is that the strong dislike labyrinth percentage is probably around 30% maybe 40%. I emphasize it is really just my personal guess though.

I think that GGG has a better quantitative idea because of their internal reports. When/if it is fixed depending on how "nice" the alternative is for getting ascendancy points will be the best indication of what that percentage really is. :-)

EDIT: I wasn't aware of the twitch data. That is very interesting. I don't know how it works? I suspect that it would also be skewed toward dislike though?

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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...frogger LIKE games.

I'LL ALLOW IT





:D

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Turtledove wrote:

I don't think, was an issue up to about 800 or 900 total votes. The reason I say that is that I occasionally looked at the poll total progress from about 300 to the 800 or 900 figure and the new votes were being consistently spread along the same percentages as the old votes. But sometime after that I think someone somehow significantly ballot box stuffed the 10 category (maximum like labyrinth) with over 100 votes.

Funny you mention that, after I mentioned the numbers were changing there was a sudden surge of 100+ votes for option 1.

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Turtledove wrote:

Those 5 people are very tricky and must have figured out a way to cheat the poll. :-)

Indeed.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:

If you are actually racing you already know the layout so no problem there. Rest of your arguments are garbage too. Just running with a quicksilver and/or spamming movement skills will always be faster than standing around and clicking a bunch of things.

The exact layout and traps do have some variation from instance to instance, of course how would you know this you don't ever fucking play the lab. This is the exact reason that discussing this with people like yourself is pointless, because you are too ignorant to know the difference and your responses are a clear indication that you have no fucking idea whats going on in the game.

Thats fine, I won't waste anymore time responding to your stupid comments, learn about the lab before you actually say someone is wrong.



Of course its fucking faster to just run over the traps running as fast as possible, my issue with that is you dont always know which way is right or not, given the fact there can be differences. Like I just don't even know how someone like yourself feels the need to say someone is wrong, when you are the one that is wrong.


If anyone else would like to discuss this matter I'm open.

Your arguments are still garbage. If you are actually racing you know the layout and you already know where to go.

The layout is the same each day if you still get lost because some traps change then you must be pretty special and you certainly are not racing.

Don't be mad because you realised what kind of idiotic thing you just said, you said many of those in this thread.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Your arguments are still garbage. If you are actually racing you know the layout and you already know where to go.

The layout is the same each day if you still get lost because some traps change then you must be pretty special and you certainly are not racing.

Don't be mad because you realised what kind of idiotic thing you just said, you said many of those in this thread.

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There have been days where there is a shortcut that is there, for example many of moons ago if you ran down the middle of one of the areas, then to the right there was a secret passage hidden behind a wall you could destroy, the issue with that is it wasn't always there and you had to go around the left side of the map and navigate thru a set of traps if it wasn't. Now if there was some indication you could check along the way to save you the time to check if the passage is there, its a big time saver.

I guess the counter argument is you are only going to win the race if you run across the secret passage in that run or not. I guess there is some merit to this, but this is only one example of a scenario I personally experienced, given how different the lab can overall be, you can bet that if there was some indication of "right path to take" via a puzzle bypass thing, then its a factor that changes the lab.


But again you don't give a fuck because at this point you've just continued to shit post about "garbage arguments ", despite anyone trying to discuss some downsides. I even mentioned ways to mitigate those downsides, but you ignore them, like you ignore anything to do with the relevant focus of this post. At this point you are more detrimental to OP's cause then you are helpful.

You post [Removed by Support] should be ignored.

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Turtledove wrote:

I don't think, was an issue up to about 800 or 900 total votes. The reason I say that is that I occasionally looked at the poll total progress from about 300 to the 800 or 900 figure and the new votes were being consistently spread along the same percentages as the old votes. But sometime after that I think someone somehow significantly ballot box stuffed the 10 category (maximum like labyrinth) with over 100 votes.

Funny you mention that, after I mentioned the numbers were changing there was a sudden surge of 100+ votes for option 1.

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Turtledove wrote:

Those 5 people are very tricky and must have figured out a way to cheat the poll. :-)

Indeed.

I haven't really been watching since then but I'll take your word for it. When I was watching from the total moving from about 300 to 800, the percentages did seem to be going up along the same percentages for each of the categories. So if someone was stuffing the ballot box at that point they were being very careful.

Care to make a guess at the percentage of people that have a strong dislike of labyrinth?

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

Goetzjam, if you feel he's mentally ill, at least take the time to research and form a diagnosis, as I have done for yours earlier in the thread.

It's helpful for all to know what we're dealing with when communicating with various forum users. :)

(It's only 4, turtle. Not 5) :)

I don't think that egocentrism would be considered being mentally ill. The article did indicate a connection between depression and egocentrism. Although it didn't specify the cause and effect. It would seem to make sense that being egocentric would lead to more unmet expectations and disappointment and thereby cause depression but the cause and effect could conceivably be the reverse? The article seemed to indicate that after middle age people would eventually grow out of it? If a person is only 16 or so then egocentrism might not even be considered abnormal, at least that is my reading of the article.

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Turtledove wrote:

Care to make a guess at the percentage of people that have a strong dislike of labyrinth?

Not significant enough of a percentage to warrant a change apparently. :)