[2.6] life Mjolner done right by Rico - Berserker version

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Tavrienne wrote:

Well, ... that went well...
Few weeks after the build is nerfed ... quite a bit actually

"Quite a bit"?
35% less discharge damage when triggered, only one discharge instead of 2, 100% to 30% max endurance chance proc. Some people have theorized that the total nerf to mjolner offensive capabilities is around 70-80% less dps than now...
it's like having 4-5k discharge damage instead of 20k. And that's not counting internal mjolner cooldown

Despite my previous optimistic post, i fear the build can die with all theese nerfs

Still, I think the biggest nerf here is that internal cooldown.

Before 2.4 build was able to provide from 7.8 (legacy Mjolner, single Discharge) to up 9.4 (non-legacy Mjolner, double Discharge) Discharges / s and all with 11 charges active on average.

If internal cooldown is in effect with Mjolner and its the same as CoC gem (500ms) that means current 2.4 version will be able do dish out 2 Discharges / s at max, all with an average of 3 + 3 + 30% * 6 = 8 charges on average.

So instead of blowing up with 9.4 * 11 = 103 charges / s it will now blow up with 2 * 8 = 16 charges / s at its best.

Thats like 85% LESS DPS.

However if cooldown isnt there (or its less than half a secound) the build might be able to blow up up to 9.4 * 8 = 75 charges / s and this will be ~27% LESS DPS (comming from Unrelenting nerf).

However this is without factoring in that 35% less Discharge dmg when triggered.

The only possible way of overcomming that huge total nerf that I can think off is to use double wield Mjolner.

And socket gems like this:

1 Mjolner: Discharge - Controlled Destruction - Fire Pen
2 Mjolner: Discharge - Controlled Destruction - Fire Pen

So with that in mind - theres a hope. But I need to test that option.

It will still proc less than non-legacy double Discharge setup but might be somewhat usable (should feel like single Discharge non-legacy setup from 2.3).

Of course that needs reworking on passive skills and gear (no shield) but I think it can be done.


So, can someone confirm that cooldown on Mjolner? (I'm currently @ work and will be back @ home in the evening).

Stop working and get on it asap...I'm dying FeelsBadMan

Just read/heard that Mjölner got an internal cooldown already, dunno how long tho.

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gosubär wrote:

Stop working and get on it asap...I'm dying FeelsBadMan

:)

Well the problem is: it needs to be tested ingame first, than reworked later on.

So untill the 2.4 goes live I cannot say anything more.

Mjolner internal CD seems to be unaffected as it seems ... hmmm ... only CoC

I may be wrong though so I will test as soon as the 2.4 nonsense goes live too

Planetside 2 I guess till ... 2017? after that I guess

I also think that mjolner already had some internal cooldown. There are a lot of things that GGG doesn't say (like that discharge max target thing).

I really don't understand why they don't announce these things.

"These items and skills also have cooldowns which limit how often a skill is cast."

Ok, so what are those cooldowns ? Is it so hard to let us know ? Seems like they're actually trying to piss people off.

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RicoKGB wrote:

The only possible way of overcomming that huge total nerf that I can think off is to use double wield Mjolner.

Well, going Dual wield means losing that 5% all max resistances from the saffel, not counting the shield 3 link used for general utility (my 3 link has lv3 enlighten + one blasphemy curse, yours has leap slam)

We might at this point push to the limit the offensive side and roll a LL berserker to have the 40% more damage, 30% more spell damage, 20% more lightning damage with wrath + purities and return to life leech as sustain

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Evander1992 wrote:

We might at this point push to the limit the offensive side and roll a LL berserker to have the 40% more damage, 30% more spell damage, 20% more lightning damage with wrath + purities and return to life leech as sustain

I do have LL Zerker in 2.3 (and I had it in 2.2 before). It has its own problems, like physical mitigation (Academy Boss is very hard with it, so all the new bosses like Minotaur Guardian will also be very hard) and offer no real advantages (dmg output was on pair). The only fun stuff with it was killing packs with 20 lvl LS + triggered 20/20 Arc with spam @ 6 aps. And now even that experience is going to be nerfed.

tackle70, the guy who took over Rainbownuke build from its original designer tom94, was running LL Zerker in 2.3 aswell and after seeing 2.4 changes he allready posted a comment and basiacally RIPed the LL Rainbownuke build thread.

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Evander1992 wrote:

Well, going Dual wield means losing that 5% all max resistances from the saffel, not counting the shield 3 link used for general utility (my 3 link has lv3 enlighten + one blasphemy curse, yours has leap slam)

Yes I know that :) This why I said that passive three and gear will require reworking.

There wont be a need for high aps anymore, so those points might go into aura and life nodes to compensate for max resistances loss.

There's a light in the tunnel but cannot tell how bright it is untill I test things ingame.

All right enough said.

I guess I would have been more accepting of such drastic changes if they were limited to new league, but the mechanics changes still hit standard, Boo.

I guess I can get a small chuckle out of the thought of wondering how many grandmaster characters got boned.

/sadface

... I don't have currency for Volls yet, so I decided to make mathils mjolner inquisitor, already had really bad single target dmg, now with even less procs it might not be viable anymore