Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE?

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

No.


For example, from the oxford dictinary :

Structure:
"The arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex"

Words have a meaning, saying "my definition is different than yours" to try to find an excuse when miss-using a word ( or just being wrong about something ) is pointless, semantics do matter.

Okay, it would be very reasonable, IMHO, to say that adding an Act 5 to the game is changing the structure of Path of Exile.

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Are they going to change how damage is calculated ? how hits are being calculated ? how players take damage ? If yes, that could be a significant structural change to say that PoE's structure has been changed.

Or are they just going to add new content and tweak numbers like they did in 2.5.0 ?

The only structural change I can actually remember is .... when they reworked auras, there were probably structural changes in that.


So far ( afaik ), nothing indicates structure changes in 3.0.0.
They have probably their hands full with releasing a new act + many awaited balance changes ( like regarding to melee ), even though though structural changes aren't impossible, it's imho, very unlikely, and everything leads to think that there won't be any.

Edit : some melee reworking things could imply some structural changes maybe, too early to tell, didn't think about that one, we'll see.

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Fruz wrote:

Structure:
"The arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex"

So far ( afaik ), nothing indicates structure changes in 3.0.0.

Adding a 5th act and condensing 3 difficulty levels into 2, with the resulting rearrangement of quest skill point rewards (and all the other complex ramifications), is absolutely what I would call a structural change to the game. It's nothing like adding a challenge league.

If GGG is ever going to address the lab/AC issue (and they may not), the 3.0.0 expansion is the obvious time to do it.

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ShaUrley wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Structure:
"The arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex"

So far ( afaik ), nothing indicates structure changes in 3.0.0.

Adding a 5th act and condensing 3 difficulty levels into 2, with the resulting rearrangement of quest skill point rewards (and all the other complex ramifications), is absolutely what I would call a structural change to the game. It's nothing like adding a challenge league.

Neither was 2.4.0
The structure of the game didn't change though.
And the structue of the game can ( and probably will ) remain the same even with 2 difficulties, the numbers will just be tweaked.
People will progress through acts the same way, getting experience and levels the same way, acquiring gear the same way, only 2 times instead of 3.

What they will decide with the missing bandit quest, we do not know.
It could be just a new quest in a5, we will see.

The current structure of the game is four acts repeated in three difficulty levels. There are some rumors that the structure of the game may be changed in 3.0 to five acts repeated in two difficulty levels.

The above paragraph is perfectly reasonable English. If anyone disagrees with anything said in this post then I really don't care. This conversation has gone well beyond silly. :-)

Kind regards,

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"Fruz wrote:

And the structue of the game can ( and probably will ) remain the same even with 2 difficulties, the numbers will just be tweaked.
People will progress through acts the same way, getting experience and levels the same way, acquiring gear the same way, only 2 times instead of 3.

What they will decide with the missing bandit quest, we do not know.
It could be just a new quest in a5, we will see.

Apparently they would have to change PoE into a different game for you to consider it a structural change. ;)

It's not just the bandit quest, it's the flooded depths, the allflame, all the way up to deshret. How are they going to balance the skill points awarded through quests in 2 difficulties instead of 3, or are they going to compensate in other ways? What about the 3 regular labs? Will they give 3 ascendancy points per lab, add another way to get the extra 2, or (we hope!) change things entirely? How is Act 5 going to fit into all this etc etc.

At any rate, Chris comments:

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Without any changes to the game's structure, the core game would consist of fifteen acts to play through across three difficulty levels before you arrive at the end-game. Clearly, this is too much and would push the end-game out too far.

So clearly he considers 3.0 to be a structural change.

a1 : 3 skill points
a2 : bandit
a3 : 3 skill points
a4 : 1 skill point

That's a total of 7 points to redistribute .... And we are going to have 2*a5.
There is a pretty easy solution that can be seen here : 4 skill point granted in the new act.

And yeah, basically, changing the structure of a game means deep work on it imho, the aura change probably was one, because it did change how aura worked.
The incoming melee rework might be of the same caliber though.

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ShaUrley wrote:

At any rate, Chris comments:

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Without any changes to the game's structure, the core game would consist of fifteen acts to play through across three difficulty levels before you arrive at the end-game. Clearly, this is too much and would push the end-game out too far.

So clearly he considers 3.0 to be a structural change.

Fair enough, if Chris considers the number of difficulties as the "structure" of the game, then it will change in 3.0.0

This is not a troll account, is the account I use to post in the forums.

For the rest, I'm done for today.

I don't even know how can you think that what they seem to be announcing for the next years patch is just another league.

You are saying that what GGG says is bullshit.

I'm saying we need to see what they end up doing next year.

It's all announcements and discussions you can look up, you are not discussing with me, your are either discussing with reality or you trust GGG even less than I do.

Idk what to say, and at this point i don't care bro.

Enjoy.

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qwqwqw333_final wrote:

I don't even know how can you think that what they seem to be announcing for the next years patch is just another league.

I don't, you should read my messages again if you want to understand, oherwise .... well happy trolling I guess.


Enjoy.

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Fruz wrote:

Since you are posting from a troll account...

That's a dick thing to say. And I've seen you say this kind of thing multiple times in the past as well.

Try to stay classy, man. Assuming the worst of others doesn't strengthen your own arguments any. Quite the opposite, in fact.

In any case, I'm a little puzzled by that whole pointless "structure" argument. Adding an act is obviously a huge structural alteration to the game. Whether it is also the best time for them to introduce an alternative route to Ascension will depend on the nature of that alternative.

After this much time, it seems obvious that they are not going to change the aspects of the Labyrinth that have made it so controversial. A waste, imo. The Labyrinth may be deeply flawed, but it wasn't beyond redemption.

Well posting from an alternate account is .... what then ?
It's somebody not assuming what he says / how he/she behaves on the forum ( profiles can be set privates too ).
It's also what people that get banned do, cannot really guess there.

Does it feel okay to you to speak to somebody that is always "hiding" for reason x or y ?

Anyway, back to topic, in 3.0.0 I would rather have something a bit new than ... 3 ascendancy points in normal and merciless, which would seem to be the lazy solution.