Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE?

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Salkryn wrote:

I am unbelievably livid at the labyrinth. I'm level 54, trying to do the labyrinth on playthrough 1, which is ostensibly level 33. I have been killed by damage floors that I wasn't standing on (lava floors seem to extend a bit outside of where they actually are on screen, so even if you're on the stairs you aren't safe). I can one-shot pretty much anything in the labyrinth, and barring lag or bad luck, I can take on Izaro without difficulty. What has killed me more than anything else has been the endless gd meat grinder of traps. Over the past three days I have probably spent fifteen hours trying to complete this dungeon, but I can't because my level 54 character is too fragile to survive the traps in a dungeon that is supposedly 21 levels lower than her. There is no fun in this. It is simply infuriating.

labyrinth at all not bad, BUT labyrinth+Ascendancy points is a WORST idea

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kamil1210 wrote:

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mynameisonlyforthegods wrote:

I don't know why people who "love the rinth" are arguing here. If GGG removes Ascendancy points from rinth, it doesn't have any effect on your gaming experience right? It just makes the game better for those of us who don't want to be forced to run through it to get those points.

let's add "/give_lvl_100_mirror_and_t20_map" command so people who dont enjoy game could get highest lvl...

I just completed lab without any problem on merc with lvl 74 char. Traps are easy to skip when you use movement skills. ANd it did not took more than clearing 3-4 endgame maps.
Players who can't beat lab should say:

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How I make my character better

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Change game, I and my character are perfect!

When I can't respond to arguments, I put up straw mans!

we're all thinking what im about to say

Trials fucking suck.

The lab, whilst the first run ever in your life can be a bit exciting, doing it like, 400000 times to get these shitty fucking enchantments is just, terrible

My current thoughts:

- Labyrinth is fun IF you have a character "made" for it to trivialize traps and Izaro himself.
- the current performance issues are killing all the fun due to massives frame drops and lag
- loading times between zones in the labyrinth without having an SSD is ridiculously long (up to 1min)
- Izaro boss fight in combination with performance issues and frame drops to 0 for split seconds


I currently have 2 charcters in Perandus - my first character is a Caustic Arrow Raider specializing in "Phasing", high evasion and dodge - as you can imagine the character has high movement speed and very good mobility.
The Labyrinth with that character is a complete joke - you can run/phase through all the traps while usingan instant flask in between when you randomly get hit by a trap. Izaro himself is very easy because with Stibnite flask while phasing he basicaly can't hit you at all and you can facetank him the whole fight if you want. Killing him with CA alone takes a while so i have a weapon swap blast rain setup to just burst him down on top of the CA cloud in seconds.

An avarage lab run takes 5-7min (depending on the layout) with this character.



My second character was a Hierophant RF Incinerater utilizing Scolds Bridle and MoM. This character is more focused on dealing high damage while casting and standing still. Templar has not access to many movement speed nodes (mine takes a 3%). The character is comparable slow to my Raider, can't manualy dodge/evade most traps properly due to low movement speed without movement skills.
On this character you have to be really carefull. You can't run RF in trap zones due to the risk of dying quickly when you make a wrong move. You have to heavily abuse movement skills like Lightning Warp to avoid/cheeze all the traps (which is much slower as the Raider can do it).
Izaro himself is a little difficult even when you are overleveld. This character has no evasion but utilizes Armour to some degree (10k atm with proper gear). The DPS on Incinerate is shit on single target without GG gear and Vaal Molten Shell (you can't use Vaa Skills in Izaro due to zoning)

An avarage lab run takes >20min with this character and is very painfull to do and not fun at all




My current probem is that high mobile, evasion based, ranged characters can trivialize the difficulty of the labyrinth while other character typs (in this example melee RF armour based caster) has an unproportionaly hard time to complete it.

It is another piece of content where highly mobile ranged is the best thing you could use to complete and farm it, same for maps, same for almost all endgame content in this game, which makes me sad!


From now on i am supposed to have a "lab-farmer" every league if i want enchantments on my other less mobile characters i feel, which is fine to some point i guess.


All i am asking for right now is: can we trying to provide some endgame content where ranged/highly mobile isn't the best choice to make in this game and get's totaly destroyed? Wouldn't this be a fun and different approach you think which could breed more creativity and more long-living game experience in a new league?




Due to massive performance issues right now and extreme lag spikes and random client crashes i will take a break for 10 days or so from playing PoE - hope the problems are fixed when i am back!

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Slayertip1 wrote:

we're all thinking what im about to say

Trials fucking suck.

The lab, whilst the first run ever in your life can be a bit exciting, doing it like, 400000 times to get these shitty fucking enchantments is just, terrible

You right about hunting for good enchantments, but main problem insane super danger traps and high damage from monsters and boss general.

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Wiesl_1404 wrote:

My current thoughts:

- Labyrinth is fun IF you have a character "made" for it to trivialize traps and Izaro himself.

Your other 3 points are valid, but I think this one is too subjective. I have a character that died countless times to Izaro, and still hasn't defeated phase 3, because it is a very weak build, and probably will be until I hit Merci. Yet, I enjoyed my time running the Lab immensely. I have another character that Ascended on his second try, just hit Act 4, and will probably go back and level in the Lab.
It just boils down to "some people like it, some people don't."

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Perq wrote:

Aka you and other 3 GD lurkers, who has nothing better to do than moan about Lab for days.
Kek. Talk about vocal minority.

You know why they're the minority? because when someone's disgusted by a piece of software that's free, they generally just leave. And you don't hear the ones that have left, genius.

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And if you think that this is a bad retention of players... oh well, that goes just well with other things you say. Just a reminder - not everyone thinks just like you. Some people simply came to the release, because they've seen some review of the upcoming expansion, completed Normal, and that was it. That is the portion of people, that left.

Or, they got to A3n with their new hardcore toon and got one-shotted by a poorly-designed hitbox on a spinning log with swords stickng out of it. With the bleed they can inflict, it's certainly possible. Happened to me once. ofc i had forgotten my bleed flask (because I hadn't been hit by that trap before, I didn't know it could inflict bleed, which is much less intuitive than with the sawblades or roombas, which are trivial for me to dodge)

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You are in the minority, who can't sleep over Ascendancy Points. The sooner you realize this, the better for you, and partially some of the people who are trying to read these boards, and are bothered by constant spam of 3-5 threads about one and the same thing (I'm entertained).

It always seems to come back to this. You say "git gud", and the opposition says "Duh, I can do it, it's just shite." and you lot say "git gud" again.

when will you realize it's not about gitting gud?

I like the Lab, but the Trials should be a "one and done" deal. Like, after doing the trials in normal and completing the Lab for the first time, I thoroughly understand how the traps function, and forcing me to hunt down the trials in Cruel and Merc is pointless tedium.

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Trentemoller wrote:

I like the Lab, but the Trials should be a "one and done" deal. Like, after doing the trials in normal and completing the Lab for the first time, I thoroughly understand how the traps function, and forcing me to hunt down the trials in Cruel and Merc is pointless tedium.

I think the trials should be less tutorial like, and more a full challenge by themselves. They suck as a tutorial anyway.

I hate the labyrinth and I will stop playing poe until it is not mandatory. Some people seem to like it, fine, let them play it.

I do not like trading in POE... I choose to abstain from that added edge and accept that I will be running with worse gear than I could if I was trading.

I really do not want to give up on the ascension trees though. And I refuse to play labyrinth. Some players here seem indifferent to that, that's fine. If GGG is indifferent to it I guess I will have to find something else to do with my spare time.

This makes me sad, POE has been such fun for years.