The Labyrinth is everything I dislike about games in one package.

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Chadwixx wrote:

a lvl 16 area trap shouldnt kill a lvl 99.

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pabrt wrote:

The labyrinth design completely contradicts the entire point of the rest of the game.

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pabrt wrote:

This is not a roguelike .

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Head_Less wrote:

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pabrt wrote:

This is not a roguelike .

Wrong, It was roguelike all along in 2011. GGG just forget to deliver until NOW.

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Head_Less wrote:

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joachimbond wrote:

GGG,

I don't play PoE for traps and puzzles. GOD i hate traps and puzzles, and the only thing I hate more than traps and puzzles in a video game is frickin' MAZES!

I hope GGG realise how far away from original idea they made the game to attract players with this kind of taste. Old school ARPG always had traps and puzzles, but GGG too long made people in POE think this game was just pew pew 1 click no brain.

MAybe with all those negative post GGG will see they attracted wrong people because they went too arcade-ish instead of old hardcore school-ish.

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joachimbond wrote:

The A in ARPG stands for what? Hint: NOT physicists and mathematicians!

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HeWhoAnswersTheCall wrote:

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Chadwixx wrote:

a lvl 16 area trap shouldnt kill a lvl 99.

According to you. Not according to GGG, because they don't want high level people totally dominating the normal Labyrinth without any effort at all.

And guess who gets to make that call?

Hint: not you.

You're not getting your way with this. Ever. Please just accept it.

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HeWhoAnswersTheCall wrote:

I'm always happy to provide as rational a contrary position as possible if I feel it's not a waste of time.

Give it a few days. As I've said elsewhere, my first day with the Labyrinth was really rough, but since alpha feedback needs to be more than just first impressions, I stuck with it. I took the breaks necessary to prevent me defenestrating either my monitor or myself. I learned the tricks. A few days later, I found the Labyrinth much less aggravating.

But you know what? You can just buy lab kills. That'll totally be a thing once players more content to do the runs realise they can make a profit from it. That way you get to Ascend, maybe score some loot from the chests, get some enchantments...and you don't have to deal with the intricacies of the Labyrinth itself. Before long, there'll be people clearing the Labyrinth in less than ten minutes. Of that I am sure.

As for experiencing the game 1-90 differently? I don't think that's a fair expectation given GGG's resources. I mean, we can go full pie in the sky and say, hey, why not make Maps available from normal onwards? And indeed, many of us have made that suggestion -- even I don't enjoy doing the same damn story 3 times in a row, dozens of times across a roster of characters. But that GGG haven't done something like that tells me there are factors we don't know making it impossible, or at least unfeasible.

But if you look at everything that's been added since beta, hasn't your 1-90 experience changed quite dramatically? Master missions, corrupted zones, strongboxes, rogue exiles, nemesis rares, bloodlines magical creatures...these are the sorts of changes you can expect GGG to make to the core game. Not some completely new stream. Even Ascendancies, if we're being completely honest, don't change anything other than what happens when you click that button. More damage, in most cases. They're a game-changer only if your idea of the game is decidedly character-development based.

At any rate, before too long, the Labyrinth will be mastered and it'll be no big deal to 'buy' Ascendancies. GGG can't really monitor or control that, not without disabling partying, and they'd never do that.