First Wave of Trade Improvements
" Because the functionality within the name of the tab won't work. That said, this is only the "first wave" of trade improvements, so perhaps they will add other functionality to regular tabs as well in the future. " Because it's not. Does this give you an unfair advantage in the ladders or PvP? Nope. Someone gaming all the time in PoE not paying a dime will still beat less active players in the ladders and PvP. ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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" Wow, kudos to you for managing your money on such a tight budget. If I only made that much, I probably wouldn't even be playing PoE, let alone own or use a computer somewhere. ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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" Granted, I did put quite a bit of emphasis on your exact wording. That wasn't supposed to rhetorically corner you, but rather to point out that some people really might feel that way. You might think that's silly, because, as you said, the game is still free of charge. Which is true, though I'd argue that it won't be in its entirety, if the system were to make it into the game, as is, since you wouldn't have access to these trade features. Of course, you can still trade using the 3rd party tools we already have. I guess part of the dispute here is whether that is acceptable or not. Many feel it isn't and have brought up their reasons for feeling that way. Hence the notion of having to spend money to get full access to core features, which is what I tried to emphasize. Again, I think the idea that you don't have to spend anything to experience the game in its entirety and the particular draw of that concept are important here and while I can actually somewhat understand the notion that a few bucks aren't much for QoL, it's still a monetarily gated gameplay feature (again, if it were to make it into the game as is) and clashes with not needing to spend anything to experience the game in its entirety. I suppose we have a difference in opinion regarding how much the ideal scenario of F2P that GGG outlined should still be adhered to, but as you can see a good amount of people aren't exactly happy right now, presumably because that form of paid QoL is something they don't think has a place in the game. I mainly try to point that out, because I think it is a very valid concern and not something that needs to be shat on and antagonized, which happened a fair bit in this thread. |
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" And what about those in the same economic situation as you that showed support with regular tabs or mtx,just not premium tabs? They don't even need premium tabs otherwise. One cannot "demand" support,because when the sites no longer work like now,which they will,all that's left is trade chat. Good luck with that. |
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Is that why you did make a offer on "normal stash tabs" some days ago?
Got me guys, was buying some normal stash tabs with my last points and have to upgrade them to premium and buy more coins for that now again. Or wasnt that intentional and just some really bad looking coincidence? Edit: havent read the thread, sorry if that was adressed already Last edited by Atomfred#0584 on Mar 1, 2016, 4:29:40 PM
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" you make less than 20$ a day and you have money to spend on anything? rent of an extremely modest $500 a month would already be $100 more than you make. so you are already -100 in the hole, plus food.. gas.. electricity.. water.. internet.. sure thing. |
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It is terrifying how jealous some players who spent money on the game are towards those who didnt ( the rich jealous of the poor ... ). Didnt you get something for the money you spent that free players dont have ? Stash tabs, MTX - something you enjoy that free players dont have ? Didnt you buy a lot of stuff from free players that they grinded for you or didnt you sell your own stuff to them ?
Dont depreciate the value free players add to the game IMHO. Players who play the game for free are still essential for it to succeed. They recommend it to friends ( because it is free and good ) which extends the player base and leads to more sales. Once the game isn't as free anymore the game will loose players : first of all those who feel that they are at a huge disadvantage by not being able to trade other than threw the tedious proccess that was supposed to be fixed with this change as opposed to the "premium" players and second their friends since people can not tell friends anymore "Hey try that game its crazy good and its free so you can test it first", instead they would have to say - "Hey test this game but you cant create a strong endgame character unless you pay for premium stash tabs or read a book on setting up a shop first". This will be a loss for everyone involved : - GGG looses potential customers ( in the long term even high pack supporters I would assume, less referrals = less players = less supporters ) - Premium players loose potential trade / party partners / pvp opponents - People who cant afford to spend money on it loose a game It doesnt matter if you call it p2w or not. The reputation ( try it its free ) of PoE wont be the same anymore. A disadvantage in trading in a loot based game : I dont know which heavier disadvantage could there be. I dont see a huge difference between a Shavronne's Wrappings being sold for money by GGG or free accounts not being able to earn the currency for it threw trading. In both cases only premium players will be able to get it. As was posted as a solution on reddit : Players could be given a free premium stash tab when they free the Scion. That would prevent an easy abuse by RMT companies but would not scrath the game's freedom to spend money when you want instead of when you have to. I have yet to see an argument from the side that thinks free players have to be put at an disadvantage why that would be neccessary or what advantages this has ( other than short term profit while getting rid of principles and risking long term profits ). When Chuck Norris plays PoE masters do his missions
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The lack of IQ here is real. Tabs that you already can change name on are ofc easier to implent this system upon, while static tabs will need more coding to work properly. Is there not a chance that a wave 2 might be the non premium tabs added with theese features? Stop crying before the whole picture is revealed.
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" So you're saying the official Poe trade forum will go down?Nah I don't think so.People will still use the shops so a need for a parser will still exist. Either fork out 3 bucks for a couple of tab upgrades or just enjoy the older methods that are free and work just as well. |
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Fantastic!!! I love you GGG this is awesome.
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