[2.6] TankyTwirl - PhysSpell CoC Cyclone

was levelling a new toon in Essence where around lvl 65ish I realized the dps is sad...

I went back to Standard, re-specced a lvl 92 trickster (used to be fakener, so gear is optimized for that) did a gorge(old) map. Still nothing impressive.

Then, I turned off one of my auras, grabbed a mana pot and started self casting bladefall without changing a thing in the build, still does more damage then the CoC

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kaliXL wrote:

was levelling a new toon in Essence where around lvl 65ish I realized the dps is sad...

I went back to Standard, re-specced a lvl 92 trickster (used to be fakener, so gear is optimized for that) did a gorge(old) map. Still nothing impressive.

Then, I turned off one of my auras, grabbed a mana pot and started self casting bladefall without changing a thing in the build, still does more damage then the CoC

Fakener gear isn't really optimal for this build. We don't need Volls Armour and Amulet and we don't need Elreon rings.
More importantly though: you don't use ICS support in your 6L which probably cripples your dps.

I have done all the guardians with this build, I can facetank them to death with most map mods.
I tried shaper 2 times now, but failed in the last phase, mainly because its hard to cyclone on top of the Shaper wo taking damage when so much stuff is going on (but it is doable with skills). So the build is still good, but not as good as it would have been wo the nerf, mainly because the cooldown hurts the crazy leech it had. I tried changing out the leech gem for another damage gem, but leech from Warlords Mark is just not enough against hard hitting bosses, and I run out of flasks before they are down (this is mainly the guardians and the Shaper, they have a crazy health pool) I have done what I can to get as high dps as possible in standard, before you could be good without much investment - this has changed now and made it more niche.
So my conlusion is: The build now needs much higher damage to be really good,
it can be solved by adding a 3rd damage spell in the 6 link, but then the leech suffers against bosses.
If someone found a way to solve this problem it would be very good again, but at a much higher price.

Current setup:
11.5k Es
44k Bladefall dps w charges (6 power, 4 frenzy)
61k EK dps w charges

@kaliXL

Would love to see how you sustain Mana on a selfcast BF with your Setup vs. singletarget :)

If you had Problems doing a Gorge you did something seriously wrong... you can still do that content with allmost no investment at all...

Using Hatred could be a good start. Hatred alone is a big Damage multiplier and Herald of Ice would provide lots better clear speed.

Maybe also try switching the useless Glacial Cascade for a ICS Gem so you actually get some good Crit Chance on Cyclone and your Spells to use your Crit Multi

Then your Skilltree is missing all the jewel sockets, which are a big source for Crit Multi and Spell/Phys damage.

Selfcast Bladefall is a strong option indeed but is a whole different playstyle and build so i highly doubt that it works "better" without serious changes to the build.


@Dkodr

Happy to hear that you managed to beat all guardians! I only tried Minotaur and Phoenix so far.
I allready did suspect that Shaper would be some Problems because of the crazy ground degen Effects that canmake it hard to Cyclone on him in more and more spaces during the fight.

I don´t think that its viable to make this build Facetank the Shaper, will be a question of learning mechanics and dodging stuff, kiting the Vortexes around to good spots.

But the only build that can do a "no brain facetank" on the Shaper is Pathfinder and that needs good Flask timing like other builds need dodging.

Oh ye and BV + Pathfinder + Vinktars will get nerfed after this league.

@Dkodr I'm well aware fakener gear is not ideal, my fakenrr gear is pre-ascendency hence the elreon ring etc. That is why I did not try something hard like "shaper" instead just opened a random mid level map.

In any case my elreon ring is not bad at all, and using volls chest only hampers my defense, which was not the issue. could replace volls ammy with a crit/crit multi ammy but again this was only a 15 minute test.

I tried it with different setups, this includes ICS, blade vortex and glacial cascade.

@kaliXL

You did not use Hatred and HoI and missed all jewel sockets.

Hatred + HoI is what gives you good clearspeed because of shattering Packs.

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kaliXL wrote:

this was only a 15 minute test.

Don´t you think that its kinda rude testing something half-assed for 15 minutes and then go on to claim that a build is not working or bad when it clearly is capable of killing Guardians and Uber Atziri after the patch?

Maybe ask what you did wrong instead of claiming that its the builds fault.

I like to help everyone but not caring about the guide in keyparts and then claiming that it does not work is kinda rude.

Hi, help me please.Yesterday i try to atziri(normal) and i can't do it. Her copy with spear oneshot me always.i have 9k es and i don't undestand what i doing wrong (whis is my gear and flack)

@Vampair
I am 99% sure that her spear can´t one shot you. Its the mirror you are hitting.

Please read the FAQ Part about Atziri in the opening post + linked Video. If this does not help please ask again :)

How does the new CoC mechanics (cooldown) interact with BF and EK's cast time, and Cyclones attack time?
Is there a golden ratio where we can proc the spells in the most consistent way possible in order to make damage andleech more reliable?

Cast time does nothing if you CoC a Spell.

Can´t tell you anything about Math Details, i am not a MathGuy.