Feedback and Suggestions - Blade vortex is BROKEN *video pve added (boss molestation)* - Forum

Whether the new skills are out of line or not, nothing in PoE should be balanced or designed around the potential of what is available in the permanent leagues. Fortunately, GGG sees it this way as well.	Posted by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
I'll also add that Mathil is almost always a pure maximized DPS player. He will try and squeeze as much DPS out of a skill as he can. I've never seen him try and build around both DPS and healthy dose of MF. If you try to mix and match - like me so I can actually find shit - DPS and MF you won't be able to put up the deeps that he is able to showcase, and therefore the kill rate no longer becomes OP. I want to see BV go toe to toe against a tuned Brittle Emperor. If it can cookie cut him down without much risk, I will agree that there is a case to be made against BV. ✰CARD✰ The Survivalist I can’t buy any more big supporter packs because the forum only supports showing 7 legacy tags.	Posted by cgexile on Dec 13, 2015, 1:22:47 PM Quote this Post
Hi Blade vortex= ring of steel skill in Grim Dawn, NEXT. Lmao to note this and that BV, the second I saw a demo video of it, knew that skill was going to be RI-DONK-ULOUS. cheers Conan: Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women. Never dance with the Devil because a dance with the Devil could last you forever... -I thought what I'd do was,I'd Pretend I was one of those deaf mutes- Nullus Anxietas:)	Posted by Finkenstein on Dec 13, 2015, 1:41:10 PM Quote this Post
I leveled with it up to level 40, it felt extremely clunky at best. i ran it with spell echo + iron will + added fire while using hatred and clarity. I could't really sustain more than 10 blades on average while traviling from pack to pack, also when there are no mobs i had to recast it 3-4 times and then jump into the pack. Clear speed wasn't that good, Arc, spark or firestorm are simply better in damage and clear speed at least for leveling. It's strong against bosses tho, granted you can facetank them, if the boss needs to be kited, you're going to waste a lot of blades In the end i swapped to bladefall, which i find better in almost any way. I'm using blade vortex only on bosses Also in high maps the only way i see it being used is having high armor and blasphemy + Warlord's. Else T10+ maps are going to shred a BV build Last edited by Mahesys on Dec 13, 2015, 2:02:31 PM	Posted by Mahesys on Dec 13, 2015, 2:01:03 PM Quote this Post
@cgexile I'm sorry man, but all your posts are like "matthi" is a god, the best player in this game, don't take him in consideration, don't balance that OP skill" I have no idea who matthi is, but any old player who used blade vortex for the first time immediately noticed it was broken. I don't know if you undestand what i've said before... I was using flame totem with searing bond plus fire trap to nuke bosses. I had extra 50% fire dmg and my gems were leveled. I've killed vaal oversoul in "X" time (take note that X is less than 30 seconds because I don't do 10k builds that take 5 minutes to kill a boss), then I tried a level 1 blade vortex... and i was killing everything as fast as i was with my levled gems and that 50% fire dmg... then i tried the vaal oversoul with blade vortex and i killed him faster than with my setup... that is a good example showing how blade vortex is way stronger compared to other regular skills. You see, i'm not complaiming because my build was weak... my lvling build was actually pretty decent since i hit lv 60 in 10 hours being very unlucky on gear/currency drop. Right now you can faceroll everything with bladevortex, just try to do the same with any other skill and you won't be able. The difference is absurd and there are many setups to optimize it. You sound like those desperate guys trying to argue that CoC wasn't OP before. "Oh, but you need skill to use this gem... you need to go closer to the mobs..." really? skill? in this game? LOL	Posted by pelife123 on Dec 13, 2015, 2:17:41 PM Quote this Post
" pelife123 wrote: Right now you can faceroll everything with bladevortex, just try to do the same with any other skill and you won't be able. The difference is absurd and there are many setups to optimize it. Any skilled player can faceroll whole game with almost any skill Up to now i'm facerolling everything with Bladefall for example, with absolutely a non-caster tree: https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwAAAdwB5whnFCAUTRg8GFYYkRv6IcMl3zGeNZI26DrhQYdGaUd-SshN41W1V-FYr18_ZU1uqm87d-N4DYIHhNmHKZDWkzqezaQZplenMKlutfK2LLc-t9a8n70nvTbAGsEExLjSIdX42L3vDvJB8kX5Zfno_Ev-Cv6P?accountName=Mahesys&characterName=WhirlingHolocaust Trash mobs takes 1 cast to die Blues take 2-3 casts Rare mobs take 4-5 casts to die Well let's see when someone will reach high level maps in talisman with BV as main skill. I don't really think will be easy to build a character tanky enough to tank in melee range in high maps	Posted by Mahesys on Dec 13, 2015, 2:49:00 PM Quote this Post
EDIT: double post :/ Last edited by Mahesys on Dec 13, 2015, 2:49:30 PM	Posted by Mahesys on Dec 13, 2015, 2:49:09 PM Quote this Post
" pelife123 wrote: @cgexile I'm sorry man, but all your posts are like "matthi" is a god, the best player in this game, don't take him in consideration, don't balance that OP skill" Really? I just said he is a bad example to follow and that he is a one-trick pony as his primary focus is on dps. " pelife123 wrote: @cgexile I don't know if you undestand what i've said before... I was using flame totem with searing bond plus fire trap to nuke bosses. .... that is a good example showing how blade vortex is way stronger compared to other regular skills. That just goes to my point that your setup is weak compared to blade vortex and not that blade vortex is too strong. I'm not saying that's your fault. That's GGG balance for you - or lack thereof. I guess it's up to GGG to determine which is the pro and which is the con here. Given their history, blade vortex will lose - and then the forum will get flooded with "why did you nerf <insert skill here>!?" " pelife123 wrote: You see, i'm not complaiming because my build was weak... my lvling build was actually pretty decent since i hit lv 60 in 10 hours being very unlucky on gear/currency drop. Sounds like complaining to me. " pelife123 wrote: You sound like those desperate guys trying to argue that CoC wasn't OP before. "Oh, but you need skill to use this gem... you need to go closer to the mobs..." really? skill? in this game? LOL And some of these posts sound like impulsive players that cried wolf with premature ejaculation. I was saying give it time in the new league. ✰CARD✰ The Survivalist I can’t buy any more big supporter packs because the forum only supports showing 7 legacy tags. Last edited by cgexile on Dec 13, 2015, 3:30:44 PM	Posted by cgexile on Dec 13, 2015, 2:49:18 PM Quote this Post
" lolozori wrote: " cgexile wrote: Lets see players survive in t12+ maps with a BV before saying it's OP on normal or jumping to any other conclusions. Edit: lolozori maybe you should try the skill out for yourself in the revised game (new league) because passing off an opinion as your own that's based on the feedback of someone else grants you little credibility as you personally appear to lack experience with the usage of this new spell. " Aim_Deep wrote: Anyway - Here is my supernova build with just gem swaps. She never took much elemental just crit. Only lvl 14/0 gem Vortex Blades village ruin bosses a 5L (no conc) fast forward to like 2:45 for the bosses https://youtu.be/dYVEkm3cwzU BTW you make a mistake. I seen before mathil video was posted that this skill is broken. I tested it in pvp first where I seen 20es/4k es regen build getting 1 shot on it. Then My other 2h Melee kaom 9k life/1500 regen got 1 shot from it. I proceed to create a standard build using it and WREKED the shit out of 74+ maps on a level 75 shadow using a 5l in armor and some crappy spell wands. Then I seen mathil video and posted it to illustrate the thread and copied the Info from tokimeki2003 who made a build doing 16k tooltype with it (mine was only 8k tooltype). You don t need to be rocket scientist to see this shit is BROKEN. Would be a lie to say otherwise after all the feedback. Also I am a big fan of the starting part of the game, of normal and cruel challenge. I Despise those AOE broken skills and seeing GGG deliberately nerfing some skills and putting this out is horrible. It is horrible because you have feeling they are insulting their players. They nerf the shit of what players play past league to put out even more broken stuff. Why nerfing cyclone again (aoe on tree+50% less damage first hit), why nerfing incinerate, why nerfing anything at all if you put out things like vortex blade? Path of AOE and 1 button skills is already so much away from the hardcore promises they wrote in CB/OB but now even the balance is made to troll all players casuals/hardcore ones. Pushed Meta, nerfing old meta this feel like trolling now and vortex is the ultimate troll skill. A copy of melee skill for spell users while you nerf the original melee skill. GG What do you mean I made a mistake? My tooltip DPS is 13.5K with level 14 gem will be over 25K when gem is 20. I dont think it OP. SRS is more powerful. Dischargers are more powerful and many other spells I used. Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep on Dec 13, 2015, 4:02:38 PM	Posted by Aim_Deep on Dec 13, 2015, 4:00:32 PM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: What do you mean I made a mistake? My tooltip DPS is 13.5K with level 14 gem will be over 25K when gem is 20. I dont think it OP. SRS is more powerful. Dischargers are more powerful and many other spells I used. Was answering to cgexile, not you, and yes this skill is op. While other skills could have higher tooltype they lock you in place. Here you can run around with it, possibly cast others spells on top of it using cwdt and warp in and out of enemy range. SRS and discharge are super op but they are kind of late game skills in particular SRS wich need a +3 staff. This can already cruise on normal without much items or even link. Forum pvp Last edited by lolozori on Dec 13, 2015, 4:11:26 PM	Posted by lolozori on Dec 13, 2015, 4:06:51 PM Quote this Post