Donald Trump

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Hilbert wrote:

Trump doesn't give two shits about abortion and so on. He is a complete egomaniac.

Simple example: He tries to pretend to be Pro Life and gain points but when asked if the woman should be punished he said yes. The Pro Life movement is about punishing the doctors because they "commit they murder" those are ancient catholic ideas. Their morale not punishing the woman is such as you want to see certain terrorist being dead.

Trumps simplistic thinking doesn't understand what the background of certain ideas is.

I'm not disagreeing with you when I say this; I understand what the anti-abortion position is. But, isn't that the logical end to the anti-abortion train of thought:

"Abortion is murder."

Two people can be charged with an actual murder. If abortion is murder, it's a bit strange to say that the doctor is the only murderer in that situation... isn't the woman culpable as a hitman at the very least?

Yeah, clearly he hasn't spent more than a minute or two thinking on the subject, but it's PERFECT fucking Trump form. Take far-right American rhetoric, and "finish the sentence." Who gives a damn whether they agree with his conclusions or not. This is the bed they've been making for 30 years now. Trump just thought to sleep in it.

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NeroNoah wrote:

Ironically you need to have a safe space to feel that. I mean, your guild is a bubble. And global shouting their opposition hardly sounds like a place for reasonable discussion.

I'm not hearing that much legitimate criticism of Trump. Its mostly "Trump is racist", "Trump is sexist", "Trump is homophobic", "Trump voters are stupid", etc, etc.

Well, I think Bernie Sanders supporters are mostly generation fail college dropouts, or liberal arts majors who got no employable skills and are looking for free gibsmedat. These people want a safety net for every poor life choice they make. Its absolutely hilarious that plumbers are making as much as $150/hr on house calls while generation fail liberal arts majors are working as cashiers at Walmart. I know it makes them mad as hell.

And I don't need a safe space. I got a Trump hat I wear every time I go out in public. If someone has something to say to my face about it, they can, but ironically, I've only gotten positive receptions from people. I even had a hot chick walk up and give me a hug when she saw my Trump hat. Unfortunately, she was married. I might have gotten some ill looks from a few people, mostly Black people, but I'm a pretty big White boy and they'd have to step out of their safe space to confront me. Most of the ones whining on the internet about Trump wouldn't walk up to somebody like me wearing a Trump hat. Not that I'd get violent or anything, unless they decided to, and if their criticism was based on the above, I'd probably laugh in their faces.

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Hilbert wrote:

You know what's a Hyperbole?


Trump doesn't give two shits about abortion and so on. He is a complete egomaniac.

Simple example: He tries to pretend to be Pro Life and gain points but when asked if the woman should be punished he said yes. The Pro Life movement is about punishing the doctors because they "commit they murder" those are ancient catholic ideas. Their morale not punishing the woman is such as you want to see certain terrorist being dead.

to be fair he said he believed they should be punished if abortion were illegal

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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NeroNoah wrote:

Ironically you need to have a safe space to feel that. I mean, your guild is a bubble. And global shouting their opposition hardly sounds like a place for reasonable discussion.

I'm not hearing that much legitimate criticism of Trump. Its mostly "Trump is racist", "Trump is sexist", "Trump is homophobic", "Trump voters are stupid", etc, etc.

And I don't need a safe space. I got a Trump hat I wear every time I go out in public. If someone has something to say to my face about it, they can, but ironically, I've only gotten positive receptions from people. I even had a hot chick walk up and give me a hug when she saw my Trump hat. Unfortunately, she was married. I might have gotten some ill looks from a few people, mostly Black people, but I'm a pretty big White boy and they'd have to step out of their safe space to confront me. Most of the ones whining on the internet about Trump wouldn't walk up to somebody like me wearing a Trump hat. Not that I'd get violent or anything, unless they decided to, and if their criticism was based on the above, I'd probably laugh in their faces.

I'm not going to comment on the "Trump Voters are Stupid" comment, but calling Trump out for his misogynistic and racist comments is COMPLETELY legitimate.

Trump is inciting paranoia, distrust and hate by segregating those he blames.

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Gaza wrote:

I'm not going to comment on the "Trump Voters are Stupid" comment, but calling Trump out for his misogynistic and racist comments is COMPLETELY legitimate.

Trump is inciting paranoia, distrust and hate by segregating those he blames.

Is it paranoia to fear and reject Muslims marching through the streets of European countries chanting, "With Allah's help, we will conquer you"?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/muslims-march-germany-chanting-allahs-help-shall-conquer-video/

I, for one, do NOT want that coming to the US. ='[.]'=

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Gaza wrote:

I'm not going to comment on the "Trump Voters are Stupid" comment, but calling Trump out for his misogynistic and racist comments is COMPLETELY legitimate.

Trump is inciting paranoia, distrust and hate by segregating those he blames.

What? Him wanting to close immigration to certain parts of the world? That's basic common sense, really. People can take a look at Europe just to see all the problems "refugees" are causing. And he's technically right that we got no way of knowing who these people really are. Immigrating to the USA isn't a 'right'. The first responsibility of any president of the USA is to protect its citizens, from enemies foreign and domestic.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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Gaza wrote:

I'm not going to comment on the "Trump Voters are Stupid" comment, but calling Trump out for his misogynistic and racist comments is COMPLETELY legitimate.

Trump is inciting paranoia, distrust and hate by segregating those he blames.

What? Him wanting to close immigration to certain parts of the world? That's basic common sense, really. People can take a look at Europe just to see all the problems "refugees" are causing. And he's technically right that we got no way of knowing who these people really are. Immigrating to the USA isn't a 'right'. The first responsibility of any president of the USA is to protect its citizens, from enemies foreign and domestic.

That has many assumptions:

There are not ways to filter out threats (no, Europe was a mess, it doesn't count, I'm not going to defend how they went about it, although I won't say it's unforgivable).

There are not duties to the rest of the world, not even in a war situation.

Muslims can't be reeducated.

The world or US? Duty or self defense? It's not as simple of a choice.

These aren't assumptions. Its based on reality.

And you should take a close look at the "oath" the president of the USA has to take to be inaugurated. At no point does it say the president of the USA has any obligations to the rest of the world. We're not obligated to take any immigrants from any part of the world. The only obligations are via treaties, which can be rendered null and void by a president if its deemed to be bad, and as far as I know there isn't a treaty that says we're obligated to let these people in our country.

Any 'duty' you think the USA has to the rest of the world is imaginary, unless its written in the form of a treaty.

About Muslims being reeducated, some of them will adapt culturally, but there is also evidence to suggest that most of them will just form communities among themselves and isolate themselves from western cultural influences. And instead of them being the ones who have to adapt to our culture, they demand local citizens should be the ones who do the adapting. Sorry, but I'm not adapting to make concessions for these people. I don't tolerate religious nutters of any type. If that makes me intolerant, then that's a label I'll own.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

These aren't assumptions. Its based on reality.

And you should take a close look at the "oath" the president of the USA has to take to be inaugurated. At no point does it say the president of the USA has any obligations to the rest of the world. We're not obligated to take any immigrants from any part of the world.

About Muslims being reeducated, some of them will adapt culturally, but there is also evidence to suggest that most of them will just form communities among themselves and isolate themselves from western cultural influences. And instead of them being the ones who have to adapt to our culture, they demand local citizens should be the ones who do the adapting. Sorry, but I'm not adapting to make concessions for these people.

Your evidence is not as solid as you think. US should be an example of what happens when you have enough religious zealots/bigots in one place being constantly confronted with better people. No, it's not nice, but change happens with time.

You are not obligated, but your inaction means nothing will be solved. You'd be fool to think terrorism will end ignoring those people.

Seriously, stop making assumptions.

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NeroNoah wrote:

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Your evidence is not as solid as you think. US should be an example of what happens when you have enough religious zealots in one place being constantly confronted with better people. No, it's not nice, but change happens with time.

Should be is the key word here. This is your personal conjecture. You can believe the USA is obligated to do whatever suits your personal political agenda, but that doesn't mean its true. There is at least some circumstantial evidence to validate my claims.

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You are not obligated, but your inaction means nothing will be solved. You'd be fool to think terrorism will end ignoring those people.

Why do we have to take action? Why is it the US's responsibility to be the worlds police force? World peace is never going to happen, and we should only deal with threats that are a danger to our country and citizens. Its not our responsibility to get involved in civil wars or fighting between 3rd world countries any more than its their responsibility to get involved in world wars between first world countries.

I would personally prefer Ron Paul as president over Trump, he'd put an end to a lot of the warmongering and mingling overseas. He asks a lot of the same questions I do about US involvement. We got enough nuclear weapons to deter any major foreign military aggression. No, China is not going to invade us, Russia is not going to invade us. Not gonna happen. We don't need to be spending 10x more on our military than the rest of the world combined to ensure that never happens.