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NeroNoah wrote:

The whole multiculturalism thing is just a red herring. The cause of humanity is more important than any puny culture. Cultural homogeneity and national identities are just weak to ensure peace, stability and welfare. Reason is what glues humanity together.

The question is not if muslims can integrate (it's obvious as it is, that a non trivial number of them won't), the question is how to facilitate integration/adapt their culture. Even if it takes decades to solve, it's a fundamental problem you can't ignore. Western countries are as guilty as muslim countries for this shitshow, no matter what anyone tries to say. Many people have forgotten the riots in France that happened some many years ago. It was obvious there were problems, but nothing was done. Until some extremist came, no one cared.

Unless you want to start the crusades again, of course. Muslims are 1.6 billions. You can't realistically expect them to be isolated from the rest of humanity.

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Etherfire wrote:

Btw, is there a special reason why the American election process starts well over an year before the actual swearing in?

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Pissed off White males have been alienated by the political establishment for way too long

and an asshole ultra right wing populist is using it. And nobody has any idea of what he would do as a president, including himself. It´s called a protest vote and usually it´s not that harmful in Europe´s parliamentary democracies. The more serious parties will react more on the fears of the voters. In the U.S. such an idiot has a real chance to become president.

I'm not sure if you grasp the political situation in the US, but the establishment in both parties, Republican and Democrat haven't been loyal to their base. Republicans are revolting with Trump, and Democrats are revolting with Sanders. Sanders doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the Democrat primary in large part due to Hillary getting almost all the 'super delegates', who aren't obligated to go with the voters.

When you got a situation in a Democracy, when the establishment politicians refuse to follow the will of the masses, you have minor political revolts where people start backing anti-establishment candidates. That's the system working as intended. The political momentum in the USA currently favors the right. Its the reason the left is currently in complete damage control mode. They're the idiots, not the Trump supporters, because the harder the left attacks Trump, the more support he's getting, and the more solid his base is becoming. They're freaking out in a major way, and don't know what to do at this point. Trump gets a political buff every time he's attacked. The ones attacking don't understand the current political climate, and assume the tactics of yesteryear will work today.

IMO the US political system is one of the most corrupt on the face of the planet. The EU on the other hand is a straight up Oligarchy under the facade of some sort of 'unity'. At some point in the future, one of the bigger EU states, like a Britain, France or Germany is going to drop out and the whole EU will come down like a house of cards.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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NeroNoah wrote:

The whole multiculturalism thing is just a red herring. The cause of humanity is more important than any puny culture. Cultural homogeneity and national identities are just weak to ensure peace, stability and welfare. Reason is what glues humanity together.

The question is not if muslims can integrate (it's obvious as it is, that a non trivial number of them won't), the question is how to facilitate integration/adapt their culture. Even if it takes decades to solve, it's a fundamental problem you can't ignore. Western countries are as guilty as muslim countries for this shitshow, no matter what anyone tries to say. Many people have forgotten the riots in France that happened some many years ago. It was obvious there were problems, but nothing was done. Until some extremist came, no one cared.

Unless you want to start the crusades again, of course. Muslims are 1.6 billions. You can't realistically expect them to be isolated from the rest of humanity.

I gotta say, this post is really naive and shows a complete lack of understanding about basic human nature. Its a long winded way of saying "Can't we all just get along?".

Humans are a warlike species, because we evolved from primates who are warlike and territorial. For example, Chimp A will smash the skull of Chimp B with a rock if he tries to get a piece of fruit out of the tree that Chimp A is in if he's not part of Chimp A's group. If you examine human history, you'll find that as a species we behave the exact same way.

For your ideas to actually be viable, humans would have to rework their DNA, because these behavioral tendencies are coded in our genome. We're primates. Forced multiculturalism only brings chaos and unrest. There might be pockets of people who buy into it and might be able to make it work on a smaller scale, but to expect humanity as a whole to buy into it is really naive. So the question I got is, what would have to happen for you to be convinced this simply cannot work on any sort of larger scale? Even in societies with forced multiculturalism, different groups of people in large part seek to segregate themselves from each other by choice. This is because we're territorial, and each group needs their safe space.

The problem with the middle east, is the west is frequently getting involved in political affairs and disputes in Muslim countries, for example the situation in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, etc is as a result of the west destabilizing these countries. These people had their safe space, and we took it away from them, and are telling them to come to our countries instead. They got a chip on their shoulder for good reason. If you're looking for a formula for multiculturalism that's guaranteed to fail, this is it. These people don't respect Western culture, for good reason, and Westerners don't respect their culture.

Europeans should be blaming the USA for the refugee crisis. It was the USA who went in and destabilized the region. Now Europe is expected to pay for the failures of US policy.

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Btw, is there a special reason why the American election process starts well over an year before the actual swearing in?

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Pissed off White males have been alienated by the political establishment for way too long

and an asshole ultra right wing populist is using it. And nobody has any idea of what he would do as a president, including himself. It´s called a protest vote and usually it´s not that harmful in Europe´s parliamentary democracies. The more serious parties will react more on the fears of the voters. In the U.S. such an idiot has a real chance to become president.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Pissed off White males have been alienated by the political establishment for way too long

and an asshole ultra right wing populist is using it. And nobody has any idea of what he would do as a president, including himself. It´s called a protest vote and usually it´s not that harmful in Europe´s parliamentary democracies. The more serious parties will react more on the fears of the voters. In the U.S. such an idiot has a real chance to become president.

Trump isn't the ultra right wing populist. He's actually the most moderate candidate (aside from Kasich maybe, who is a meme candidate), a lot of Republicans are saying he's not a real Republican (and one could argue that he actually isn't). If you want ultra right wing populism, look at Lyin' Ted.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Hilary is obviously the best candidate. She has 8 years experience (including a balanced budget) and everyone else in the running is batshit insane.

I'm a conservative, mind you. Which is kind of the point; Sanders might better represent the left, but Clinton is the candidate Republicans can vote for. And if Trump wins the nomination due to extremists within the Republican party, you can be sure a very significant minority of Republicans will be looking for a way to vote against Trump.