MoreRain: Life&ES CoC Discharge [2.2]
" Did anyone else had their flask nerfed to 1 per crit ? I had multiple 3 per crit from past 2 years, now they all are "When you take crit" and "When you DEAL crit" are only 1 per crit... GGG said they cant change legacy gear yet they did it for flasks... IGN: PojzonAbyss
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" Ah you're right of course, its a spell tag. I've just insane regen compared to my last coc cycloner, i assumed it was because of it. |
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" It used to be 1 per crit, now it's 20% chance to gain 1 per crit. Afaik the take crit flasks are still 3, but they're fairly useless. |
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so i dont need to use medigord more ?
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" Thanks! I read people before scaring me about stuns, I have never played CI, how you manage it? I think CI is the safer version and I have ES shields but not chaos res, so cheaper also for me care only about high ES |
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(I'm afraid my expressions may be rude or hard to read, cuz I'm not good at English.
But please be patient!) I did some caluculation about maximum charges and damage.
calc
Blade vortex hits 10 times per cast.
For example,Cyclone = 4hit/sec. -> CoC-Blade vortex = 2.8cast/sec. and its duration is 5sec. Continual Cyclone makes 2.8*5=14 blade vortex up.(average) 14 blade vortex = 28 hit per sec. Blade vortex hits 7 times between Cyclone hits. therefore, "Discharge" + "7 blade vortex hits" + "Crit Cyclone hit" they generate some power charges before next Discharge. with 812% increased spell crit (without power charge), Chance to generate 6 or more power charge = 69% Chance to generate 5 or more power charge = 86% if the Discharge dosen't proc, "Discharge" + "14 blade vortex hits" + "2 Cyclone hits". Chance to generate 6 or more power charge = 99.9% Chance to generate 5 or more power charge = 99.9% therefore, Chance to generate 6 or more power charges before next Discharge is, 0.69 * 0.7 + 0.999 * 0.3 = 78.3% Chance to generate 5 or more power charges before next Discharge is, 0.86 * 0.7 + 0.99 * 0.3 = 90.9% (and 91% chance to gain 5 or more) Max charge 4->5 =~26.5% more damage (22.7% from base damage, 3.1% from crit chance.) Max charge 5->6 =~20.8% more damage (17.3% from base damage, 3.0% from crit chance.) |
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" Just pointing out that initial guide still contains incorrect information on dagger crafting which can lead some people to wasting their hard earned ex. Should be instead: a) When using Blade Vortex: "adds x-y cold damage to spells" b) When using Ice Nova or not using EE for some reason: "adds x-y cold damage" Increasing Field of View in PoE: /1236921 Last edited by Shajirr#2980 on Jan 8, 2016, 2:50:22 PM
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" There is no reason to not use EE, it provides so much damage. You should be using x-y fire when using ice nova: -fire cyclone -ice nova -discharge will give greater damage than: -cold cyclone -discharge -ice nova for a, it will be: -cold BV -discharge but doesn't this make discharge do cold damage as well making it do tri elemental meaning it just gimps EE and makes the next BV do less damage? issue is, some players have stated BV is superior while the author says IN is tried and true. but you kind of need to pick one when you craft your ring or dagger, thus locking you into that choice. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Jan 8, 2016, 4:10:45 PM
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" Nope. Cyclone hits way faster than an Ice nova, meaning discharge will almost always hit on +25% fire resist penalty. After Ice Nova you will just overwrite EE with Cyclone severely gimping Discharge singletarget damage. Increasing Ice Nova damage with added fire dmg on Cyclone is pointless, Ice Nova deals waaaaay less damage than Discharge, we are talking an order of magnitude less. Besides MatrixFactor just wrote a similar explanation when I asked about it, somewhere in the last pages. " Are you sure you know how EE works? Because it doesn't seem like it. Why would you care about EE debuff after discharge for BV when it deals physical damage? Increasing Field of View in PoE: /1236921 Last edited by Shajirr#2980 on Jan 8, 2016, 4:33:19 PM
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" a. Yes you're correct, however, why not just put cold damage attack on the cyclone so you could do cyclone/discharge/IV should you ever change your mind? b. I will defer to the author since he knows the math and the build far better and you're basically saying his damage calculator is flat out wrong. Also, it does not matter if discharge does the majority of the damage, 50% less resistance on the ice nova at no cost other than planning is a great thing to have. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Jan 8, 2016, 5:07:49 PM
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