MoreRain: Life&ES CoC Discharge [2.2]

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veritaserum wrote:

what is this ?`some poe items

what we can see we have extra mods for spell dmg
and spell dmog mods for local attacks dmg of weapon, seems logical

and in this thread look at the dagger from morerain, we have flat local ele attack dmg
just for cylcone relevant.

I don't get what your point is.

My point is that the optimal setup seems to be +added cold dmg to spells mod on a dagger in combination with BV, not Ice Nova.
BV triggers EE with this mod.

Having +cold dmg for attacks is just a nice bonus if you have cold to spells mod.

Just checked you can actually mastercraft it.

ah now i understand u
so u mean then we need flat spell added on dagger.
but the daggers in this thread are all with local flat attack mods
u can look
yes, but maybe a spell mod would be better
in case of BV then, ofc it would trigger EE
wanted to write that cylcone hit more often, and resets the
EE more offten, but BV has also insane hit speed.
hmm

what the others say

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Shajirr wrote:

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Wicirelllis wrote:

Seems BV is best option, cause it generate power charges and proc EE in AoE.

Just what I wanted to write.
The guide on main page still mentiones crafting flat fire, even through the only thing it does is increases the damage for Ice Nova, which is negligible compared to Discharge.

What I don't get is, why MatrixFactor mentioned that he prefferred to use Ice Nova with legacy flasks?
BV should deal more damage, since its phys and doesn't care about resists, and it should apply EE better since it hits 2 times a second even if you aren't doing anything at all, while Ice Nova may not proc for some time.

Regarding fire damage (to answer that part of it), this is from 20 pages back. Stepping though the EE process per proc step by step. Basically fire boosts ice nova as it should be linked first, then in turn sets up discharge which is linked after ice nova in gem order. The chance to cast on crit is rolled per spell and not per cast, so when ice nova doesn't proc discharge still gets a boost to lightning instead of positive fire and lightning from its previous own application of EE.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cast_On_Critical_Strike

This is of course for the ice nova/freeze pulse set up with discharge as your damage dealers.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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PoE17 wrote:

On another topic, regarding Ele Equilib, is fire damage on gear really needed?
Not a brain on this topic but i originally thought of it like this, like you had updated in OP (just repeating to reference it here):
Case 1
1. Cyclone gives +fire, -cold, - lightning to monster it hits (sets up ice nova)
2. ice nova hits while monster has -cold, - lightning, then gives the monster +cold, -fire, -lightning (sets up discharge).
3. discharge hits giving monster +fire, +lightning, -cold.
4. cyclone hits and gives +fire, -cold, -lightning (process loops).
Case 2
So the above is what happens when cyclone hits a target, other aoe monsters that dont come within cyclone range would get:
1. ice nova hits (with no EE buff) and gives +cold, -fire, -lightning (sets up discharge)
2. discharge hits with EE buff and gives -cold, +fire, +lightning (sets up ice nova)
3. ice nova hits with EE buff and sets up discharge and process loops.

So other than the first hit Nova and discharge would still get EE benefits.
So if we didn't have fire on gear Case two would always still be the same as case 1, other than the first hit, so it seems the fire damage only benefits the first hit.

So do we really need fire damage on gear or am i missing something in the EE loop?

Back in the case when I was using cold damage the issue was that ice nova could fail to CoC (30% chance). Here it can still fail to proc, in which case having cyclone set the to +fire -light instead of +fire +light gives a slight boost to damage.

Regarding the ice nova choice with legacy flasks is that ice nova is really good defensively for freezing everything, which is good for leveling if that's your intentions. And considering you have a flask charge on every crit using ice nova has no down sides. Perma flasks is not a problem with legacy.

With the new nerfed surgeons, blade vortex helps with granting additional flasks charges, and does this better than ice nova.

Just to also note, no one is forcing you to do anything in any specific way, you are free to play in whatever set up you want, the author has provided a working template for a strong build, how you want to min. max. it is still up to you. And note he probably hasn't even had the chance to test it fully himself especially at end game in between talismans and life. I'm sure eventually once he works out everything he'll add it to the Discharge calculator to simulate BV.

Blade vortex does care about phys resists mods on maps and monsters. (Not saying BV sucks or anything)

Whats the most amount of BV stacks you're generally able to run around with in your setup by the way?

well, one idea that came me is ,to counter bad area side of 6L with BV (and not ice nova)is just to use
herald of ice. for mapping should be fine, for most end bossed also fine.just one aura purity aura less.
BV trigger EE then too !!

Is this Build possible in Talisman Hardcore as well or not? Which gear should i use until i get the expensive stuff?(Voll's Devotion, The Vertex etc.)

Thanks in advance :)

I think I will go with a little different CI version of the build, what do you think:

Helm: Curse on hit - warlords mark - assassins mark - herald of ice
It means no mana reservation for curses and ice damage for spells and attacks for Elemental Equilibrium on cyclone and Blade Vortex. life leech from Warlords

Chest:cyclone - coc - discharge - BV - empower - incr crit strikes
empower for max damage or life leech

Shield:cwdt - inmortal call - incr duration

weapon: fortify - whiring blades - faster attacks / Blood Rage
Blood rage for max damage

boots:enlighten - disc - purity of light/fire - Ice golem

I am reading on some posts ppl with CI version around 8k ES, for me is enough without caring about chaos res.
With herald of ice no need of add mods for cold dmg, so weapon and rings modded as preferences, crit, ES, res, as....
passives as usual on this version going to CI, and go to elementalist to use intuitive leap on left side over devotion to take it and endurance

Why CI?
If you get stunned while Cyclone resets you're done for, either logout or get stunlocked to death.
Plus you have super long shocks/burns/freezes, although I guess you can just flask these.

BR as CI is kinda a terrible idea, because it blocks ES regen, which is one of the huge benefits of having ES in the first place.

About Ice Nova and levelling - really you only care about the bosses, because most of the other stuff dies way faster than it can damage you. And Nova doesn't freeze bosses.

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Shajirr wrote:

About Ice Nova and levelling - really you only care about the bosses, because most of the other stuff dies way faster than it can damage you. And Nova doesn't freeze bosses.

Blue mobs can be dangerous in T14-15 maps once you add temp chains and a damage mod or two.

Anyways, Ice Nova worked for me to reach 100, so I know it works.

BV probably works too, but I haven't tested it outside the uber kill much, so I'm not going to recommend it.

If you leveled to 97+ with BV let us know, otherwise realize that you're just speculating.

Hi guys i was decide to try this build but i got question i have 94 lvl witch but in 1st post tryy its only to lvl 72 ? after this lvl i can take anythink i want ? i mean probatly es/spel dmg ?

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Shecutor wrote:

Hi guys i was decide to try this build but i got question i have 94 lvl witch but in 1st post tryy its only to lvl 72 ? after this lvl i can take anythink i want ? i mean probatly es/spel dmg ?

I actually posted a L82 and L93 trees a little before you posted this. You need charisma if you don't have enlightens and +1 curse if you don't have it on voll's devotion.