MoreRain: Life&ES CoC Discharge [2.2]
"Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? Theres a chance for every single cyclone hit that a spell can be triggered from the coc gem. if cyclone hits something 10 times for 10 crits. Then the coc gem rolls whether the spells can be cast or not based on the percentage of the level of the gem each of those 10 crits. In this order: - cyclone hit 1 (EE applies) - cyclone crit 1 - chance to cast spell 1 (EE applies on successfull cast) - chance to cast spell 2 (EE applies on successfull cast) - cyclone hit 2 (EE applies) - cyclone crit 2 - chance to cast spell 1 (EE applies on successfull cast) - chance to cast spell 2 (EE applies on successfull cast) - cyclone hit 3 etc etc (If cyclone doesnt crit obviously neither of the 2 spells does anything and cycle EE remains) At level 1 coc theres a 50 percent chance that the spell can be cast, at level 21 a 70 percent chance the spells can be triggered. Though each chance to cast is rolled independently on each gem, though only on a successful cyclone critical strike. Are you just talking about how cyclone always hits (and thereby applying its EE effect) and ice nova/discharge doesn't always cast? because of cyclone chance to crit, then chance for cast on crit. "The discharge EE penalty is true when you have a sucessful cyclone hit and crit, and ice nova fails to proc, and discharge does. But its not like discharge has a higher chance to cast more than ice nova. as the chance to cast is the same, just rolled independently. Baked Beans - Meme Dreams https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_a2zFbPIIiE4kURsvQ4Dw Last edited by PoE17#3475 on Jan 8, 2016, 6:37:00 PM
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Blade vortex is the best. dont think about Ice nova. forget it.
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" 82, i think. Havnt been puttign much time into leveling. and i thought cast on crit needed a lot of crit? I had a shield lined up, a nice one with 350ish ES, and a bunch of spell damage, but no resistences for 20 chaos, but the guy ended up deciding he wanted ot map more then he wanted to sell his junk. I also have this, my old build was a SRS witch, but i stopped palying her when after ES rework she lsot like 3k ES overall. |
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" CoC needs alot of crit, but it also needs balance like everything else, it's very uncommon to use a rats as a hybrid. Can get a solid 400ish shield with spell crit (80+) cheaper probably :) |
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Is a +1 gems that much of a deal anymore btw since we only have one spell that truly benefits from it if we use BV?
Considering saving for one, but not sure +1 lvl on discharge and bv, +1% crit chance and +1% chance to coc is worth the shitton of currency. |
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" The author never actually tried to use the +fire damage himself, he said it himself somewhere. He still has +cold on all his daggers. And he did explain why. Information on 1st post, like daggers crafting for example, is partially outdated, he didn't fully update it. PoE17 Yeah I admit partially my explanation was wrong, I was originally going from Ice Nova having a travel time as opposed to instant hits from Discharge and Cyclone, but it doesn't really matter since at point blank range it will still hit before Discharge. Probably. Anyway, we have a 30% chance of Ice Nova not activating, in this case Discharge hits EE applied by dagger, hitting +25% fire resist. In my eyes increasing Nova damage, which is minimal, is not worth heavily decreasing Discharge damage in 30% cases. Increasing Field of View in PoE: /1236921
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" So both the guide and the calculator(whose purpose is to calculate damage output with EE scenarios) are outdated and incorrect and no one actually knows if BV will outperform IN past level 95 or what combination of elements will be optimal for maximizing final damage output? Let's say for moment IN damage is irrelevant. Then based on your comment it should be the case just get cold damage on dagger, followed by discharge, followed by IN (61,000). Scenario 1: cold dagger discharge procs ice nova procs This way no matter procs or does not proc, discharge will always get the full benefit of EE and if discharge does not hit then ice nova hits 25% cold resist. If both procs then the EE chain is complete. I believe the reason the guide says to use fire dagger is because the following chain will output more damage (65,000) than the above: fire dagger ice nova procs discharge procs but if nova does not proc then discharge will hit 25% resist(which is only about half of the discharge damage) like you said. I do not know if the calculator takes this data into account But I would assume so. so in the long run, the first scenario will still do more damage. Replacing IB with BV simplifies this by a lot and it simply becomes: cold dagger discharge BV IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Jan 9, 2016, 5:25:31 PM
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Rly guys aboute EE my head wil blow up XD only 1 question since i am using bv
this ring with add cold to atack wil proc EE with bv ? |
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" No. 'added cold to attacks' will not work with blade vortex which is a spell. It will apply to your cyclone and your whirling blades though. You will get EE effect with monsters you hit cyclone and whirling blades. Baked Beans - Meme Dreams https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_a2zFbPIIiE4kURsvQ4Dw Last edited by PoE17#3475 on Jan 9, 2016, 6:36:48 PM
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Ok, updated some of my gear, still sitting at 1994 life, and now at 3700 ES, if i swap out my low level discipline for a lvl 19 it jumps to 4100, which i still feel is a tad low. Ive also begun to experience some pretty severe mana issues when attempting to kill bosses, more then once ive run out in a particularly bad streak of not critting and thus not doing damage, and then taking a ton of damage out of nowhere. So mana is an issue right now.ive also sorta been toying with the idea of getting a diffrent curse to supply frenzy charges, not sure how they would actually impact the build though.
anyways, any {more} advice on how to stop dying would be great!
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