PvP - skills/passives balance/rework

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wild_captain wrote:

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jcostello1 wrote:

Point blank works very very well with puncture or tornado traps, but mainly I despise it for how overpowered it makes freezing pulse or fireball traps. They shotgun with lmp, they benefit from trap dmg increase, and they also get a 50% MORE damage bonus from point blank. Ridiculous one shot capability.

Point blank doesnt work with spells (if it does it is an actual bug), it only works with attacks. FP, and Fireball deal high dmg cause of lmp and cold/fire penetration.

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

FP has point blank built in the spell itself

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

FP has point blank built in the spell itself

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Pyrokar wrote:

So why does acrobatics say less block chance and is a multiplier?

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wild_captain wrote:

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

FP has point blank built in the spell itself

We dont know for sure if the values are exactly the same as point blank, but yes FP works better at close range.

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Pyrokar wrote:

So why does acrobatics say less block chance and is a multiplier?

Cause you know man, GGG and their wording.

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Pyrokar wrote:

So GGG's fault for not being consistent again?

GGG Y U NO CONSISTENT?

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Granger_Guildmage wrote:

Its pretty consistent, the formula is base value * (1 - sum of reduced) * product of (1 - less multiplies). So if you have 10% reduced, 20% reduced and 30% reduced and 5% less, 15% less and 25% less the the value would be base value * (1 - .10 - .20 - .30) * (1 - .05) * (1 - .15) * (1 - .25).

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

Elemental equillibrium is not a problem lmfao. You can easily overcap resistances, use pots with all res, and many other resistance flasks. There are way more serious things to be adjusted and this should be last on the list. Whens the last time summoner won ANYTHING?

Minion instability lol? There is counters to summoners. Multi conversion trap, spectral throw, poison arrow, RoA, Traps in general, anything that pierces their target. Its hilarious that things like this are even being mentioned when other things arent even close to being possibly countered. Heavy strike not even on the list? come on seriously.

The health pool on summoners outputting reasonable damage is so little they get 1 shot constantly. No one takes their multistrike gem out to fight summoners as well so they constantly proc MI. I think this is a classic case of people QQing just because they dont understand the matchup. The amount of insane gear to make a summoner that can only beat casters and some melee class is absurd compared to other gear. Also using like 5 lvl 2 empowers? the cost in the gems is beyond any other build by far.


Lets not nerf things like this when 2 people play them? Summoners are in a good spot and are barely viable for anything other than team battles. When they become as rampant as tornado shot puncture traps, facebreaker cycloners, facebreaker shield chargers, facebreaker anything, or moltenstrike/heavystrike sword and board, then I would start to worry. Right now there are far too many complaints to be muddying the waters with ideas like nerfing EE and MI lol. People throwing around terms like "Uncounterable" without even entertaining conversion trap is a huge clue. Far too many people without the proper experience trying to balance the game. I dont think its even a matter of peoples own intentions to gain awards/win tourneys as much as people just being frustrated and praying for mega nerfs to anything that beats them.

nerf everything and then this please.