Vaal Fragment Changes in 1.2.4d

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morbo wrote:

tbh, I argued that CZs should spawn in maps too, right from day 1. They could be very rare, so to not "break" the current setting and would still provide a natural endgame progression (because that's the issue).

Although doing this now probably won't hurt now. I can see why it was done initially (lore/engine). But since the content has been out for a while, we can be led to believe that Atziri has now found a way to corrupt maps directly! (also thanks to GGG improvements in the code!)

1 fragment for 10-20 maps isn't going to kill the economy. It would complement the corrupted map change quite nicely.

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Achilion wrote:

:)

edit : that wont ecourage me to corupt maps tho, vaal orbs are so rare i can barely use them for corupting uniques :(. I guess i will have to wait for better atziri farming times

edit 2: ... maybe if corrupted boss had the chance to drop 3-4 fragments at a time then who knows maybe it could be fun to do it, but 1 which usualy will be dusk/dawn or gem hmm.


Bring back City of Sarn <3

???Are you serious right now???They just did what the community have asked for ages WHILE explaining in detail the reason on why fragments can't drop from regular farming zones that often and you ask to bring Sarn back??Unbelievable..

I've found a Sacrifice at Dawn today!

This is a sensible, clever addition.

I'll parrot what others have said; can we up the vaal orb rate a bit?

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Aiyania wrote:

I don't like this fix, it feels half Ass'd. Let me explain why.

"Corrupt low lvl carto boxes, easiest way to get lots of corrupted maps to farm frags"
-I have been playing back for 5-7 weeks, i havent found a single carto box yet, so honestly im not even sure they exist anymore. I have leveled a character from 85-87; 1-87; and havent found a single one, also i've only found about 4 vaal orbs since ive been back, so i dont really see this as a 'FIX' why should i spent lots of time farming low lvl maps, just for fragments, when before I was farming low lvl zones, at least the zones dont give weird things like no regen or temp chains.

Things that might change my mind
-adjust the drop rate of carto boxes
-adjust the drop rate of vaal orbs
-make my 10 mins of time running a no regen temp chain map worth more than 1 sacrifice fragment.

IDK, this whole fix update just seams meh at best. whatever, back to farming dom.

4-5 weeks is not enough for you to have any say on end game matters. I know that you would like easier Fragment drop so you can sell the sets but for those that farm Atziri this change is godlike. Follow your own advice and just go back to farming Dominus. Let the rest of us farm maps and Atziri:P

clever but most rare map outcomes are way too dangerous/troublesome

probably not doing this (except for vaal temple but never doing that trio either..)

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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ropumar wrote:

This change will make no diference. People wont use their vaal orbs, not worth it.

People actually do use vaal orbs on maps now.

+1 for the change.

What rich people do with their orbs is not what the other 99% do with theirs.

I'm as likely to use a vaal orb on a map as I am an alch or chaos..... never.

None of these currency items drop often enough to be wasted in this manner. Using an alch over an augment and/or alts provides no benefit. RNG is RNG. Running a rare with over 100 increased quantity can still provide zero maps. Running a lowly magic with 20’ish increased quantity can provide 8 maps.

Get these results, you just wasted your currency while making one run more difficult than the other. Add in the fact that using an alch increases the odds you will get an affix you cannot run, and that re-rolling a bad outcome will cost a chaos instead of an alt, if you are not rich you don’t play the game.

Also, even if you are rich I still don’t see the point of wasting currency in this manner. Either way, play often enough the end result of your map runs will be the same. Stash full of useless 66-69 maps that need to be vendor trashed to level 70 maps. Not enough 71+ maps to keep moving up the map food chain at any decent pace.

The problem with sustainability is that the higher the map level, the more catastrophic not finding a map in the map is. And I’m not just talking about the case where you run a 74 or 75 map and get no maps. Running a 74/75 and getting 8 maps where half are 66-67, 2 are 68, and 2 are 69…. is the same as ZERO. And either way, how did your increased item quantity help you? Complete waste wasn't it.

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Achilion wrote:

:)

edit : that wont ecourage me to corupt maps tho, vaal orbs are so rare i can barely use them for corupting uniques :(. I guess i will have to wait for better atziri farming times

edit 2: ... maybe if corrupted boss had the chance to drop 3-4 fragments at a time then who knows maybe it could be fun to do it, but 1 which usualy will be dusk/dawn or gem hmm.


Bring back City of Sarn <3

1)This is exactly my thoughts, they want us to use rare orbs for a CHANCE at one? Give them a chance to drop 2 or 3 atleast. The only way this is otherwise worthwhile is through rare carto boxes.


2)Yes if they brought back sarn spawn, that alone would go along ways to making them worthwhile farming. the zone is perfect, very linear, and very short. yes you can still do the trick, but i never felt i needed to, it was quick to run through kill everything in my way, and strong boxes all made it worthwhile.

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tmaciak wrote:

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geradon wrote:

nobody here made any good suggestions on how to better restrict access to endgame

Because maybe, there is no reason to restrict access to endgame, for character capable to do endgame?

there is no reason to restrict access to endgame in games which periodically devalue your items over time or reset the game.

poe is not such a game. items which are endgame never become midgame items. i don't think there are many other games like poe without "power creep". i don't know cause i don't play much outside poe at the moment.

I think this solution is pretty nice even if think that having a 100% chance to drop a vaal gem or a vaal fragment could be better since vaal orb isn't so common.
Another thing i'd like is about mortal fragments.. Having a simple level 70 currupted area isn't really fair after that you have killed Atziri.. Shouldn't be better to open another Apex of Sacrifice if i put a mortal fragment into a map device?? Maybe making the mortal fragment a little bit more rare. What do you think about this? So we can turn unwanted mortal fragmente into something else in the same way as for normal fragments..
PS: sorry for my bad english :)!!