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" Well i think we ahve to deal with them. You get the community you deserve, if your game encourage some humans to spend their time breaking forum guidelines then find a way to make that action irrelevant. No need to pull bigger guns. If you do that then you are just showing your weakness. " No i am all for "punish less" less then what the user deserve, unless it's 1. A clearly hostile comment, no doubt. 2. HIGHLY hostile. i am just against "punish more" because of probation history. Punish a user with a expanded probation for a little misdeed. " Prohibition? Interesting. " No i found a good answer. What is wrong now is : there is no opposite system. I want to see a "decrease punishement on someone who purposely follow the rules". " Exaclty. NO MORE. I don't see any rule saying : If a player continue to break a rule he will get more consequences. " I have waited for players to rally to my side. I think i am not the only one and i still think i am right 'somehow'. " Someone must explain to me the purpose of XP loss then. " Yeah and what happens next ? Let's say he does it again. Will he get a bigger punishement than what he had. And will happen next? Weill he get a 20 years jail sentence if he/she continues to steal candy from shop? " Same reply. " Sorry for the late answer. Yes. I like the idea, i want users to get warnings and prevent innocent users from being hit by the support hammer. But what do you do the ones who : 1. Have a clean probation history, new or not. 2. Make a hostile misdeed, no doubt it is one, 100% chance is it. 3. Make a HIGHLY hostile one. I don't think there is a warning to give here. First weakness of your system. Is it simple if you did something VERY VERY STUPID and it's CLEAR you knew it, then the warning system should by 'bypassed'. " While i can see the benefits and necessity of enabling moderation history, i want it to be deleted. Is must stay because of players who are naive about forum guidelines. It must go because it's counter productive. So what must be done? Let's think again, let's have a common goal : finding the best answer and road leading into best forum experience possible. What can make your moderation system better/best? I have something to suggest. I think that an opposite syetem to the one we have must be established and added. You need to make it possible for users to erase their probation/moderation history. Why? To make the system productive. Users will behave positively. " Don't care, i play/played with players who gave GGG lot of money. @Isbox1: How is your problem related to this thread? I know how: Getting an expanded probation for a little misdeed you did WAS CLEARLY OUT OF PROPORTION, the probation history should not matter in this case. Your probation history should have been deleted or decreased over time. This way your probatiohn history would have been the same as the others and you would have got your comments just removed like others. Let's stay on topic and give a 'general feedback' which means let's not discuss specific cases, just say general truths gathered from your experience you believe in. Last edited by InexRising#5976 on Aug 6, 2014, 3:10:58 PM
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" Not touching the other stuff you said: The "Favor-System" you might suppose as the anti-probation history thesis would spawn a horrible evil: People who police others constantly, maybe even in an aggressive or annoying way. This would lead to many more arguments because you don't simply take that push you received by some random user playing police, don't you? No, you give it to him back! Fun-fact: Policing as a normal user in the Steam Forum is even a offense and might get you in trouble. You are just encouraged to use the report function there instead of trying to talk some sense into a user and possibly start an argument. If I misunderstood you and you just mean that the influence of probation history shall expire after some time, just like crimes do expire in real life, then yeah. I can see that. But we don't know exactly how GGG handles this and if they do it this way already. |
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" The thing is that in the end the forum is the propriety of GGG and you accepted to follow their rules when you created your account. GGG are free to edit or delete posts as they see fit and are the sole judges as who deserve a probation and how long it should be. If you really have that big a problem with the rules you agreed to follow and how they enforce them, maybe it's time you stopped using the forum and/or move to another game/forum. Last edited by thefredz#0620 on Aug 6, 2014, 3:28:36 PM
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" I really don't like this line of thinking - could you imagine a world that was in perpetual non-advancement? Uggg - we would still just be working with fire and outside in loin clothes. None of the amenities we all currently enjoy like the internet and computers. Just stop advancement and betterment in it's tracks. I really think that there needs to be some kind of improvements in forum moderation - I like the idea of wiping out negatives - and even letting those posters know with positive feedback: "Hey - congrats! Thanks for being a more positive influence in the community, we have taken 1 mark off your account." A clear and concise plan should be implemented with no hidden vagueness. Methods to redeem yourself by behaving over time otherwise no matter what, you'll just suffer probation for tiny infractions. |
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" just because you don't like it doesn't make it less valid. Last edited by thefredz#0620 on Aug 6, 2014, 3:46:29 PM
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" But following the logic in any sort of honesty would mean you wouldn't use internet or computers or anything, really. So even you don't subscribe to your own line of thinking. You discredit your statements by simply posting on the internet. You invalidated it yourself, I didn't even really have to say much but to just point out the flaw in your logic. I prefer thinking the same way you do: making improvements on existing systems. This is the actual logical pattern you subscribe to as proven by your actions of posting online via computer/cellphone. Last edited by Isbox1#3280 on Aug 6, 2014, 3:49:22 PM
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" You did well by quoting this part of my comment because this is the final solution i found, for now. Yes you misundertood. I want a system where probation history cleanse itself with time. And the system must explain that to you, "If you don't get a probation/warning during 5 days, your are clean" (increase or reduce number of days" "If you don't get a probation/warning for 10 days, your probation history will be half clean" " If you continue for 7 days, you are clean"(he will be get a warning for next misdeed)"But if you break the 7 days then you get a probation with a lower duration than you would have got if you did not the 10 days good behavior. (Good behavior = No breaking of FG) " [Removed by Support] I know very well this is GGG's property, but if i started this thread then i am continuing it. Last edited by Jared_GGG#0000 on Aug 6, 2014, 4:18:58 PM
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" yeah because human technological evolution as a whole is a good analogy to following rules on a video game forum. amright? Last edited by thefredz#0620 on Aug 6, 2014, 4:02:10 PM
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" In this case I'll leave it at that and let this thread RIP on my personal list. One might argue about numbers at this point but GGG is probably able to decide on that best based on their moderation experience. |
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" But do you support it? I guarantee you it's not already implemented. |
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