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Antnee wrote:
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mark_ggg wrote:
"What have you become when even nightmares fears you ?"
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InexRising wrote:
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Kieren_GGG wrote:
Just to elaborate a bit on probations, they aren't something we give out easily either, and are very dependent on prior infractions, as well as the severity.

This needs to be changed. Discuss


Or maybe, just maybe, people should just stop being asses.
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Nightmare90 wrote:
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Boatsniper wrote:
I understand what you are trying to say and where you are coming from. I've been in a similar situation.

Determining administrative action based upon previous infractions, no matter how trivial, just doesn't work well at all.

Take this hypothetical example:

-Two users break the same forum rule.
-User A has been around for 2 years with three minor infractions on their account out of 3,000 total posts.
-User B has been around for 2 months with no infractions out of 30 posts on their account.

Who should receive the harsher punishment?

Answer:
Spoiler
Neither.

The longer a user remains on a forum, the more infractions they are likely to accumulate over time. How can you justify a harsher punishment for User A when they have contributed so much already? How can you justify a harsher punishment for User B when they clearly are not accustomed to a new rule- set?

What you describe is the decay of past infractions driven by time. It is nowhere near the binary suggestion OP supplies and is a concept Support is probably familiar with.
Lol late response.

Time is ever-present. People will forget what others have done given enough time. It's like a paper cut, or a cold. Time will heal it.

Someone mentioned that an opposite to the current system could be implemented, and I wholeheartedly agree with it. Posts that moderators deem constructive, helpful, and/or insightful should help the poster in a meaningful way, be it nullifying past infractions or giving them a unique avatar (just an example). Positive encouragement can go a long way.
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Boatsniper wrote:
Lol late response.

Time is ever-present. People will forget what others have done given enough time. It's like a paper cut, or a cold. Time will heal it.

Someone mentioned that an opposite to the current system could be implemented, and I wholeheartedly agree with it. Posts that moderators deem constructive, helpful, and/or insightful should help the poster in a meaningful way, be it nullifying past infractions or giving them a unique avatar (just an example). Positive encouragement can go a long way.


Yes and the OP is supporting this. Except neutral posts + time can also nullify past infractions.
Time to make changes GGG.
Last edited by InexRising#5976 on Aug 7, 2014, 8:07:48 AM
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InexRising wrote:
Time to make changes GGG.

No, it isn't.
You don't get to decide such things.
Just because you say it is time for a change, doesn't mean that it is so.
I appreciate that you think you are correct, and that the forums and support should operate according to what you see as right, but GGG is under no obligation to agree or conform to your opinion.

Now, MAYBE if you made reasonable arguments you might sway minds and convince GGG to change their stance, but I don't see that you have, and I don't see any problem with GGG maintaining their current policy just because you disagree with it.
"I would have listened... I would have understood!" - Scion

Have you removed Asus ROG/GameFirst yet?
My arguments.


Current system
=
Bad:
Because make players angry as they feel good behavior will never clean their past infraction and they are doomed to get expanded probations more and more. If someone feels he had a punishement that is out of proportion he will (studies Riot made show,check page1) be worse.
Because: THERE IS NO FORUM GUIDELINE SAYING THAT YOU WILL GET GREATER PUNISHEMENT FOR CONTINUING BREAKING THEM FG.
Interesting reads about someone who said he felt hurt :O : Page 44 and 45
Because users who make horrible misdeeds and who know without any doubt they are being hostile and against any forum guideline, get almost no punishement if it's their first time.
Good:
Allow naive players about Forum guidelines to get warnings before eating the moderation hammer.

New system
=
Good:
Because, users are encouraged to continue making good posts to clean their probation history.
Because, users feel the system can reward ASWELL as punish. It can forgive. so they are encouraged to continue making neutral posts or just stop making posts until.. their probation history start decreasing.
(Imagine if your chars had no regret orbs to use?)
Naive players can be protected aswell.



So..... yeah @GGG time to make changes.
For your own good.

It's funny how you react to my sentence saying to GGG a change has to be done, don't have feelings! If my feedback is good then whatever i say they will take it into account and make the appropriate changes. If my feedback has not convinced them then they will not listen to it.
Don't worry about how i say it.
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InexRising wrote:
My arguments.


Current system
=
Bad:
Because make players angry as they feel good behavior will never clean their past infraction and they are doomed to get expanded probations more and more. If someone feels he had a punishement that is out of proportion he will (studies Riot made show,check page1) be worse.
Because: THERE IS NO FORUM GUIDELINE SAYING THAT YOU WILL GET GREATER PUNISHEMENT FOR CONTINUING BREAKING THEM FG.
Interesting reads about someone who said he felt hurt :O : Page 44 and 45
Because users who make horrible misdeeds and who know without any doubt they are being hostile and against any forum guideline, get almost no punishement if it's their first time.
Good:
Allow naive players about Forum guidelines to get warnings before eating the moderation hammer.

New system
=
Good:
Because, users are encouraged to continue making good posts to clean their probation history.
Because, users feel the system can reward ASWELL as punish. It can forgive. so they are encouraged to continue making neutral posts or just stop making posts until.. their probation history start decreasing.
(Imagine if your chars had no regret orbs to use?)
Naive players can be protected aswell.



So..... yeah @GGG time to make changes.
For your own good.

It's funny how you react to my sentence saying to GGG a change has to be done, don't have feelings! If my feedback is good then whatever i say they will take it into account and make the appropriate changes. If my feedback has not convinced them then they will not listen to it.
Don't worry about how i say it.


What you are saying is factually wrong. So sorry, your conclusions are based on a false premise and therefore invalid.

First: There is a forum guideline saying it, its called "listen to the moderators" or "This is GGG's forum". When someone ignores the moderators saying "Stop doing this" then they are breaking two rules not one. Therefore they get punished for two rules instead of one.

What part of mark's post does not make sense to you? It is not just that they did the same thing, they ALSO ignored the moderator telling them not to.


Secondly people do get punishment for their first time. It depends on what was done, trust me there are people who get banned from the forum for their first time because of what it is they were doing. So saying that they get almost no punishment is false.

So no, please don't make changes GGG, as everyone else in this thread has said Inex is wrong
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InexRising wrote:

It's funny how you react to my sentence saying to GGG a change has to be done, don't have feelings! If my feedback is good then whatever i say they will take it into account and make the appropriate changes. If my feedback has not convinced them then they will not listen to it.
Don't worry about how i say it.


You write as if from a position of authority on the matter. As if it is your call to make and it is you who determines what is the proper way to conduct this forum.

You have no such say. You have no authority or justification at all to say ANY change should be made. You can request, and suggest. You can support your arguments to your ability. No matter how well you think you have argued your perspective, you still aren't in a position to say a change must be made.

Also, my post conveys no emotion at all. If you read any into it, it is your prerogative to do so.

Lastly, I don't support your demand. I feel the existing method of enforcement is superior. Not going into details. Many people have covered any point I would make already.
"I would have listened... I would have understood!" - Scion

Have you removed Asus ROG/GameFirst yet?
This is something you only have to worry about if you deliberately break GGG's rules for the game continuously.

Learn the rules, don't break them. It's pretty simple.

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