[1.2.] Serge's Ultimate Ball Lightning (3 Versions: EB-MoM-AA / hybrid HP-ES Crit / CI Crit!)

How viable is the 3rd build? I really like health/ES hybrid ones, but is there any gear that is absolutely required for it to work?

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SidleJinks wrote:

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Fathervic wrote:

You write "BL does no AoE damage, which means that the Concentrated Effect gem, as well as the "increased area damage" passive nodes do not affect the damage of BL."

Yet your setup is: 6L: BL - Spell Echo - Increased AoE - Power Charge on Critical - Lightning Penetration - Increased Critical Multiplier - did I miss something?

With regards

BL doesn't have aoe dmg, but has aoe.

I still don't follow, of course it doesnt effect dammage directly, but it is written in a way that suggests you shoudnt use it - hence my problem with understanding it.

Increased AOE is selfexplanitory = you will hit more enemies, hence = win!

Anyways I think faster casting would be much better that inc aoe - just my experience

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Fathervic wrote:

I still don't follow, of course it doesnt effect dammage directly, but it is written in a way that suggests you shoudnt use it - hence my problem with understanding it.

Increased AOE is selfexplanitory = you will hit more enemies, hence = win!

Anyways I think faster casting would be much better that inc aoe - just my experience

More aoe=target stays in range longer=single spell hits target more times=efficiency

100 inc cast speed is as good as 20% increase aoe minus mana efficiency.

With Crit buffs and 30% dmg buffs and resistance nerfs BL will be most popular

I am torn between cold to fire AA crit freezing pulse and Crit ball of lightning

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kavinux wrote:

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ComradeSerge wrote:

Wut? :S I didn't post any gear in the crit build... which 5 uniques are you talking about?

Well try to get for es gear dream fragments and eye of chayula on day 2 in new league. And then on day 3 Voidbringer and 2 divinarius

Why do you think it's mandatory to go for voidbringer and diviniraius? Those uniques have nothing to do with CI, they have to do with crit. You can easily run without them and get 900% crit chance with just rare items.

Besides, even if you did have the currency, 2 diviniarius' is just an overkill, it's much better to go with a shield which gives a ton more survivability. I don't know who said 2 divinarius, but that's not going into my build :)

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SidleJinks wrote:

Interesting whether BL gets increased base crit or not.

It has 5% base crit chance on the Garena Taiwan server, where 1.2. is already up for a few days now (without the masters).

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Fathervic wrote:

You write "BL does no AoE damage, which means that the Concentrated Effect gem, as well as the "increased area damage" passive nodes do not affect the damage of BL."

Yet your setup is: 6L: BL - Spell Echo - Increased AoE - Power Charge on Critical - Lightning Penetration - Increased Critical Multiplier - did I miss something?

With regards

I think you can best understand the difference between just "aoe" and "aoe damage" by comparing Flameblast and BL.

You know how flameblast works. You cast it, the circle increases, and when you stop casting, all monsters within the circle of the spell or at once hit for a certain amount of damage.

Ball Lightning does not apply any type of aoe damage. What BL does is that it hits each enemy within its radius 1 time every 0.2 seconds. The aoe of BL is only the radius within which it can hit enemies. Thus, concentrated effect would decrease the aoe of BL, because BL has aoe, but wouldn't affect it's damage, because BL has no aoe damage; Increased AoE does affect because it increases the area of effect or radius within which the spell can hit enemies once every 0.2 seconds.

If you do not believe me, you can see the info here:
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Ball_Lightning

and here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2KxtC3Ks04&t=1m15s

Also, if you're sceptical even after this post, just try inserting a conc effect gem into BL and look at your tooltip DPS. It won't change :)

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Vulpix0r wrote:

How viable is the 3rd build? I really like health/ES hybrid ones, but is there any gear that is absolutely required for it to work?

Unlike the CI version or the EB MoM version, the hybrid one has absolutely no gear requirements. Just equip your standard ES or armour/ES or evasion/ES gear, whatever you prefer. Of course, there's always items that would work very nice with it, like Rathipith's globe, or Divinarius, or a lightning Doryani's belt. But these are not mandatory.

Trying to come up with a tree for levelling the CI version of the build. This is what I came up with, decent amount of life and allows for an easy respec into CI in Merciless as it goes through all the same routes:

Comrade that's very similar to what I was looking at doing for leveling:

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMA2VsbJUuu6QLfim0ZwFQI9GpDvOo9X1JTl_RJsdfP-TfviJMnHNwNjWwLIvRVxoPbBAc6WMHFf8ZJUfDVj_rsGJUuBx6MNmHiVUsmlayYw21ca4RI99dd8hEvKwq295eVTLMOSBGWpJF-MxOeghDfsALjB6VJsiycdhEQWOTs