Uber Atziri as a Melee

Jake my only problem with video's like this going "no snap shot ubber kill"

Is using acuity's which where obtained true snap-shotting.

And well the fact you need an acuity which drops from the boss you cannot defeat without.

It reminds me of fyndell's ego boost video "look ubber no snap shot" after he got his acuity's.

Making the feat entirely stupid and not worth mentioning imo.

I did like watching your video, but let's have some guesses how the first kills of ubber will happen next league without snap-shot so no acuity's available on the market <.o, it will be fun to see imo.

Probably 0 ubber kills on next hardcore league with snap-shot fixed and as a result no 100%vp gloves :').

Peace, and well played enjoyed the video and i think you can understand my concern's i ain't jelly and i applaud your dedication to this thread, it just makes me wonder about the future and this boss-fight. Looking at your vid it's pretty clear that without acuity's you would have died a lot more, not to mention the viability of ubber + melee in hardcore :).

-Boem-

Doubt you'll ever see melee do Uber in HC, what with the mobs and the way the fights are designed - it makes zero sense to risk a character like that.

There have been around 25 Uber kills on Invasion now from 3 people, all of them have been low-life spectral on first and last fight, Maurauder with Immortal Call doing the second fight. HvC, Exalton, Witchmaster. That's the only way to guarantee the fight will be deathless.

I know HvC tried the second fight as low-life with his low-life friend, was fun to watch them log-out :)

I think they will definitely be able to pull off Uber without snapshotting with the same tactic above, they definitely have the skills to do it losing a little bit of ES. First time HvC did Uber he had Maligaro's and to be honest, the 10k ES wasn't necessary. He made no mistakes and he could have done it with 7k. There is obviously more risk and we'll probably see some funny rips as well next season :D

The thing is - there is no reason to do Uber without snapshotting on HC. Snapshotting costs only about 1 ex on Inv to go back and forward and Uber sets are only 10 ex each - even Vertexes sell for a mirror on Invasion. It's guaranteed to be worth it.

The trash mobs are not so much of a problem for Aegis marauder to run through with iC.

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Boem wrote:

Jake my only problem with video's like this going "no snap shot ubber kill"

Is using acuity's which where obtained true snap-shotting.

And well the fact you need an acuity which drops from the boss you cannot defeat without.

It reminds me of fyndell's ego boost video "look ubber no snap shot" after he got his acuity's.

Making the feat entirely stupid and not worth mentioning imo.

I did like watching your video, but let's have some guesses how the first kills of ubber will happen next league without snap-shot so no acuity's available on the market <.o, it will be fun to see imo.

Probably 0 ubber kills on next hardcore league with snap-shot fixed and as a result no 100%vp gloves :').

Peace, and well played enjoyed the video and i think you can understand my concern's i ain't jelly and i applaud your dedication to this thread, it just makes me wonder about the future and this boss-fight. Looking at your vid it's pretty clear that without acuity's you would have died a lot more, not to mention the viability of ubber + melee in hardcore :).

-Boem-

Yeah it will be interesting. Acuity and anti-freeze flask saved me more times in this video than I could keep track of. Even just using IC more carefully isn't enough, because there is a ton of non-phys damage coming in as well that Acuity lets you facetank without blinking. (and Topaz flask is huge as well)

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

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Alluring Abyss full clear - Melee Double Strike build NO SNAPSHOT

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7iKTuDC_Jk

That was amazing. Worth the watch. Proves it can be done.

To be fair imo it only proves the distance between melee and ranged in terms of balance.

<.o

peace,

-Boem-

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link1313 wrote:

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

Alright it's uploaded and processed.



Alluring Abyss full clear - Melee Double Strike build NO SNAPSHOT

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7iKTuDC_Jk

That was amazing. Worth the watch. Proves it can be done.

Thanks.

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Boem wrote:

To be fair imo it only proves the distance between melee and ranged in terms of balance.

<.o

peace,

-Boem-

I mean yes, and that gap is definitely a massive one. I do think I can narrow that gap a little bit though... I don't know. In any case that gap is definitely there (imo) and I wouldn't recommend to anybody wanting to move up to doing Uber that they run a melee character lol.

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

I mean yes, and that gap is definitely a massive one. I do think I can narrow that gap a little bit though... I don't know. In any case that gap is definitely there (imo) and I wouldn't recommend to anybody wanting to move up to doing Uber that they run a melee character lol.

BTW what was your tooltip DPS ?

you know, the sad part is that a "pure" melee build could probably not do any better than your toon.

lack of purity auras.

diminishing returns on armor.

looked like the chaos damage from the constructs was pretty nasty too.

the first thing that occurred to me was: totem build.

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Boem wrote:

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Jake my only problem with video's like this going "no snap shot ubber kill"

Is using acuity's which where obtained true snap-shotting.

And well the fact you need an acuity which drops from the boss you cannot defeat without.

It reminds me of fyndell's ego boost video "look ubber no snap shot" after he got his acuity's.

Making the feat entirely stupid and not worth mentioning imo.

I did like watching your video, but let's have some guesses how the first kills of ubber will happen next league without snap-shot so no acuity's available on the market <.o, it will be fun to see imo.

Probably 0 ubber kills on next hardcore league with snap-shot fixed and as a result no 100%vp gloves :').

Peace, and well played enjoyed the video and i think you can understand my concern's i ain't jelly and i applaud your dedication to this thread, it just makes me wonder about the future and this boss-fight. Looking at your vid it's pretty clear that without acuity's you would have died a lot more, not to mention the viability of ubber + melee in hardcore :).

-Boem-

I do believe it is too early to start speculations. Usually the buffs/nerfs that happen pre-expansion end up determining the "next op". Although, I will state my piece of mind on the topic:

With trappers nerfed (remote + trap = no go), Poison Arrow/Desecrate/Etc won't be first.
ST will probably be nerfed.
RF will not dominate. That's for sure, lowlife RF relies on Aura Snapshot and life RF won't have the damage. (lowlife also gets higher resists and a much larger pool of eHp)
Summoner Snapshotting nerfs probably won't do too much to them, and the Raging Spirits buff might be enough to hardcast them with Echo/Cast Speed and stay safe behind the wall of them...
The real winners will be the current "tier-2" builds --->
These include Aegis Tanks (obvious build for first normal Atziri kills if it goes untouched)
Storm Call/Fireball (the Echo buff could be just enough)
Builds with short ramp-up time, aka Wanders who utilize Piscator's, or Crit Dagger using Bino's, or archers using Lioneye's/Windreeper/other unique bow.

My pick (currently) is some form of self-cast spell, personally I'm thinking Storm Call... but that's just because I think it is the coolest and most hilarious spell in the game and I want it to happen with Echo + mega cast speed xD

(fun fact, lightning strikes 100 times/second irl. Please Stormcall 100 times/second!)

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plasticeyes wrote:

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

I mean yes, and that gap is definitely a massive one. I do think I can narrow that gap a little bit though... I don't know. In any case that gap is definitely there (imo) and I wouldn't recommend to anybody wanting to move up to doing Uber that they run a melee character lol.

BTW what was your tooltip DPS ?

you know, the sad part is that a "pure" melee build could probably not do any better than your toon.

lack of purity auras.

diminishing returns on armor.

looked like the chaos damage from the constructs was pretty nasty too.

the first thing that occurred to me was: totem build.

tooltip in that exact setup I used in the full clear video was

with melee splash - about 220k dps
with WED - about 360k dps


If I orient it a bit more dps focused (rather than the defense focus I was using for the vid) it's about 350k melee splash, 600k WED.

(and finally the tryhard dps spec as posted a few pages back gets to 1.1 million dps with WED, but it's not practical to use that setup for Uber i think)



The chaos damage from the constructs definitely hurt. Number of close calls in there. And that is a big part of the damage that IC can't save you from - nor is Grace + Ondar's Guile enough clearly as I still got hit by them some of the time and when i did, it hurt.

Wow jake, you must have some sick gear!

I tried uber as melee (double strike) on my pvp build, got atziri to ~1/2 then pussied out because I only had 1 portal left.

I think I had ~5.8k es w/ a shav. My dps was ~240k using an honour etcher ambusher

TBH, the major imbalance at the moment with spectral throw is that melee and ranged have the exact same level of survivability. An easy solution (that would piss off a lot of people) would be to make spec throw 2H.

Also, and this is just my opinion, the #1 problem I have w/ my flicker strike build is desync. Unwavering/chayula/heart of oak helps a little bit, but it is nearly impossible to lvl at 95+ in a SC league as melee.