Self Found Players and Atziri

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CCR5 wrote:

RF build should have good chance for self found Atziri kill.
Like really good.

Like if you selffind a "Rise of the Phoenix"?
Good luck.

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Peterlerock wrote:

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CCR5 wrote:

RF build should have good chance for self found Atziri kill.
Like really good.

Like if you selffind a "Rise of the Phoenix"?
Good luck.

meh

build depends only on 1 unique

i've chanced saffel's frame, found another, found two alpha's howl, BoR this season
chanced troll shavs as well!

can't look up what else, i don't have inv character anymoar :^)

I tried it a couple of days ago and got to double vaal. First I'd like to say that even the mobs in there had quite a bit of hp, it's a lvl70 zone and they're all magic mobs. However, it seems like they have the hp and damage equivalent of the magic mobs I find in 75+ maps, possibly even more.

The biggest problem in double vaal for me are the lightning balls, even with 81% lightning res.

So far in the Atziri videos that I've watched, people have relied on high resists + spell block (Saffels + Purity of Lightning) to mitigate enough damage such that they don't have to deliberately avoid the lightning balls. Either that, or they get enough regen (via life-leech or LoH) to out-regen the damage. As self-found players, I believe we don't have the luxury of the first option since self-found = not assuming any high level uniques = no Saffels / Rathpith.

I play an incinerate character and my dps when I tried it was at 1.5k with lmp so it's meager compared to standard incinerate builds out there utilizing Cybils. Also, due to the ramp-up nature of incinerate, it's very hard to attain enough regen since I always have to re-position and thus am perpetually stuck in stage 0/1 incinerate. I managed to get both vaals to around 1/4 health before running out of portals.

For some reference, my character had 5.1k (Edit: 5.2k at that time, before I respecced into inner force) life, 81% lightning res and one round of lightning balls were taking at least 50% of my health. Each ball has the aoe of around a cold snap (probably more) I believe and they overlap significantly so you'll be hit many times. I did try to lightning warp out a few times but a lot of times the animation of lightning warp would play but I won't move, I'm assuming that I'm getting stunned but I can't really tell.

I did learn quite a few things from the fight though, I vastly underestimated the AoE on the lightning balls before going in but now I know. I've since respecced into the inner force cluster and once I get lvl20 purity of lightning it'll bring me to 84% lightning res. I'm also intending to get the MoM keystone in a couple of levels and hopefully sometime in the next couple of levels I'll get some more mana regen or more ES (= mana + regen since I run EB) on my gear. I'm leveling a discipline gem to use for the fight since grace is kinda useless there. It will grant me an increased mana pool and increased mana regen which will help once I allocate the MoM keystone. The lasers actually don't do that much damage but the guaranteed shock makes it necessary to avoid them. Perhaps I'll try it with a Fairgraves Tricorne next time. Anything so I don't have to reposition as much and thus maintain stage 3 incinerate. Edit: Also gonna link Enfeeble with an increased duration gem so that I don't have to stop and curse as often.

Phew! Wall of text there, but I hope that helped... somewhat...

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elwindakos wrote:

i am pretty sure ill go further the next time.i am on a poison arrow build,killed 1 vaal the other one raped me :)
I already got a second set of fragments and i will hell try again.My poison arrow is level 19 since last time in a +2 bow and 4 linked.Dmg can only be better and as far as survivability goes its decent.

Now that i learned second vaal goes on crack once the other is killed,ill do better this time.I consider this whole dungeon as a perfect test to anyone's build.

OFC ambush league and sfl,my playtime got to 1/5 of what i used to play due to irl obligations,but that char has a /played of 5days.So i am pretty happy with it.If anything,ill get to atziri.

I've seen atziris fight but didnt expierienced what is before that,so i am going into uncharted waters and that makes me double happy.

Would you mind sharing how you managed to get enough regen with a poison arrow build? Or if you somehow managed to dodge all the projectiles flying around some insight on that would be great too!

Got myself a



and am strongly contemplating it. Would like to do it with my Mace Marauder, but still got a lot of grinding to go and he'll have issues:

* Since the Mace Marauder is so goddamn efficient, he has very low dex and int. While living without max level Faster Attacks is doable, it hurts like hell not being able to get the 130 int to get +3 max resist off Purity o/Lightning, or to get Vulnerability to a super high level.

* Completely at the mercy of RNGesus for my DPS. Currently have a 330 dps mace (which the people in #Global helpfully told me was trash when I mentioned I was excited about equipping it back when I was in Act 2 Merciless. How nice of them. A level 50-something non-botconomy guy getting to use the use the equivalent of a level 20 Fireball. Better chuck it into the bin then.) In my dreams a good triple physical prefix rare will drop which would be greater than the 400 dps the best uniques can get give, but my spider sense says isn't going to happen. I'd burn alchemy orbs on maces if there was a prayer in hell, but I know what affixes roll on weapons and have seen the carnage of uselessness from my ID scrolls. Possibly the absolute worst use of alchemy orbs.

* The empress is unwaverable. My guy, being a mace guy, is pretty much a wavering machine. Can't help but feel a little rejected. My usual boss-killing strategy of "eat a taco" and "sip some water" won't cut it : [

So I'm going to wait for the crafting changes in the next expansion before doing it. With any luck we'll get some Diablo 2 style recipes to roll rares, which would be so damn useful for us never-trades. And by then he'll have over 8,000 dps regardless if a new mace drops or doesn't drop.

I think it is possible in ambush, lots of drops. I have been fairly lucky, sf howl, blood dance, full set of fragments, rainbow strides, about 10 lazwhars, tabula rasa for that ghetto 6 link , 100 hp 300 ar 40 str belt. If I find a real chest piece to throw fuses at and a good shield I might put a character together for it.

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LimitedRooster wrote:

* Since the Mace Marauder is so goddamn efficient, he has very low dex and int. While living without max level Faster Attacks is doable, it hurts like hell not being able to get the 130 int to get +3 max resist off Purity o/Lightning, or to get Vulnerability to a super high level.

Equip something like... ?

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* Completely at the mercy of RNGesus for my DPS. Currently have a 330 dps mace (which the people in #Global helpfully told me was trash when I mentioned I was excited about equipping it back when I was in Act 2 Merciless. How nice of them.

If onehanded: wtf? great mace.
If twohanded: yes, they are somehow right. "Trash" seems to be a harsh word, and for selffound, what can you do about it?

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So I'm going to wait for the crafting changes in the next expansion before doing it. With any luck we'll get some Diablo 2 style recipes to roll rares, which would be so damn useful for us never-trades.

I think that will remain a dream.

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spoc002 wrote:

i dont understand why ppl want SFl. i cant even get the item i want trading let alone droping them :/

I am guessing you are reffering to my post but I didn't say I wanted a sfl. In fact I think it is a terrible idea that will just fracture the community. I do like to play sf because I enjoy the treasure hunting aspect of RNG based ARPG's. I said I was not playing because i have pretty much done everything I want to do on a 4L and 5/6 links are too unpredictable to play/farm for. I get about 1 usable 5L per 5 characters lvled to 80 and I have never seen a 6L playing since the start of OB.

I play solo and completely self-found. I plan to have a go at Atziri soon. Finally got the last fragment.

This is my gear and setup :

I play solo and completely self-found. I plan to have a go at Atziri soon. Finally got the last fragment.

This is my gear and setup :