General Discussion - Garena is adding skill tree resets as a micro transaction in 1.1.3. Thoughts? - Forum

" VaultzInex wrote: " Actkqk wrote: " Chris wrote: b) This microtransaction isn't something that I would choose to add to our servers, but it's certainly not game-breakingly harmful. It clearly pay to win. I could add here many examples related to events and this microtransaction or even in normal leagues... I thought you were definitely against pay to win. It is another server, right. But I do not understand that clearly reject something and then give its approval. That seems to go against their own beliefs... Disillusioned, not because of GARENA, even for the desynchronization and other serious problems. Disillusioned about people who say one thing and then retracts. It's pay for convenience. You can get as many regret orbs as you want if you do the chaos recipe as many times as needed. It's still technically pay 2 win though. Because that's currency that you could of saved, and used, but instead just spent $ on a skill reset. I don't care though because it's not really harmful to the game though as Chris said. "Good thing they nerfed the carto, it wasn't fun to find one in every map." - Haborym Last edited by monkuar#2123 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:32:22 PM	Posted by monkuar#2123 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:31:48 PM Quote this Post
" Kamro wrote: " VaultzInex wrote: It's pay for convenience. You can get as many regret orbs as you want if you do the chaos recipe as many times as needed. Yes you can get a Kaoms that way too so buying one in mtx store would be convenience too ? Or Exalts or anything really ? So nothing you can get ingame would be pay2win ? This is the stuff most shitty Free to play games pull. No we are not pay 2 win you get all this stuff if you grind 5000 Hours. No paying for regret orbs effects is pay for convenience. But paying for more than that( let's say EX/eternal/mirror) that would be P2W. (You are not sure of getting those orbs.. while you can get chaos and regrets orbs with chaos recipe) Good vaal orbs : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/840813 Bad ones : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/812199 Why? http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/854397(I got an answer) Last edited by VaultzInex#4933 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:38:23 PM	Posted by VaultzInex#4933 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:36:29 PM Quote this Post
If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience? BreakingHearts/RhoaHood/BackAndVeryLate (Standard) \| HushtailSweep/HushtailWeeps (Ancestor)	Posted by SilentOppressor#6006 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:39:39 PM Quote this Post
" VaultzInex wrote: " Kamro wrote: " VaultzInex wrote: It's pay for convenience. You can get as many regret orbs as you want if you do the chaos recipe as many times as needed. Yes you can get a Kaoms that way too so buying one in mtx store would be convenience too ? Or Exalts or anything really ? So nothing you can get ingame would be pay2win ? This is the stuff most shitty Free to play games pull. No we are not pay 2 win you get all this stuff if you grind 5000 Hours. No paying for regret orbs effects is pay for convenience. But paying for more than that( let's say EX/eternal/mirror) that would be P2W. (You are not sure of getting those orbs.. while you can get chaos and regrets orbs with chaos recipe) Paying for something that gives clear advantages is pay to win. A normal player must invest time (and enough) to do something like a reset. If I pay for the reset I not waste time. It's called A clear advantage. And Yes, pay to win is to pay for something convenient, so technically you're right unwittingly XD Bethesda is known for having good ideas and terrible realization of them. GGG is a Bethesda subsidiary or what?	Posted by Actkqk#4579 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:42:43 PM Quote this Post
" SilentOppressor wrote: If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience? Apply the same logic for stash tabs. Can you get as many tabs as you want for free ? Yes => P2C Can you get as many regrets through a "small" chaos recipe investement time? Yes => P2C Pay to 4Link your items is also a very nice thing that GGG should add. Can you get as many fusing orbs as you want? Yes throught alt farming What happens if you paid for 4L items? => convenience P2C. If you can't then it's P2W Good vaal orbs : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/840813 Bad ones : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/812199 Why? http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/854397(I got an answer) Last edited by VaultzInex#4933 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:46:17 PM	Posted by VaultzInex#4933 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:43:12 PM Quote this Post
" VaultzInex wrote: " SilentOppressor wrote: If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience? Apply the same logic for stash tabs. I don't think you can compare farming for alts with taking 2 minutes to create a new account. Once the 'price' of time is paid, all that's left is p2c. And you haven't applied the same logic: Can you get as many tabs as you want for free? Yes => P2C Can you get as many regrets as you want for free? No => P2W Regardless, that does not seem entirely relevant to what I said because stash tabs are otherwise available. BreakingHearts/RhoaHood/BackAndVeryLate (Standard) \| HushtailSweep/HushtailWeeps (Ancestor) Last edited by SilentOppressor#6006 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:49:01 PM	Posted by SilentOppressor#6006 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:48:17 PM Quote this Post
" VaultzInex wrote: " SilentOppressor wrote: If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience? Apply the same logic for stash tabs. Can you get as many tabs as you want for free ? Yes => P2C Can you get as many regrets through a "small" chaos recipe investement time? Yes => P2C Pay to 4Link your items is also a very nice thing that GGG should add. Can you get as many fusing orbs as you want? Yes throught alt farming What happens if you paid for 4L items? => convenience P2C. If you can't then it's P2W Problem with such definitions.. they are respective to their own personal believing and opinion of the one expressing such a opinion and are not universal for anyone else... But hey we are in the internet every opinion is universal for each one participating in the interwebz What can never be lent or earned? Somewhat, that devours everyone and everything: A tree that rush. A bird that sings. It eat bones and smite the hardest stones. Masticate every sword. Shatters every shrine. It defeat mighty kings and carry mountains on lightly wings. What am i?	Posted by Spysong192#7559 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:49:06 PM Quote this Post
" SilentOppressor wrote: If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience? This is much more interesting when you note that the first successful Uber Atziri kill in Invasion required respeccing in the middle of the fight. In the presence of snapshotting, respecs give a clear advantage.	Posted by pneuma#0134 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:49:09 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
Can't you snapshot auras with purchased respecs?	Posted by xxSerpentlordxx#0809 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:52:26 PM Quote this Post
" If you want to adjust your passive build during gameplay, there are Passive Skill Refund points available from quests or relatively rare items in the game that can be found or traded for. Fixing mistakes with a character build or improving small-medium sized aspects is relatively easy, but our intention is that players who want to try substantially divergent character builds are encouraged to play a new character through the game, organically leveling it up rather than just respeccing into it. So I've pointed out before how contradictory this statement is with the ease of WTB 50 regrets in the shopping model this game is. " Chris wrote: This microtransaction isn't something that I would choose to add to our servers, but it's certainly not game-breakingly harmful. [Removed by Support] Casually casual. Last edited by Jared_GGG#0000 on Apr 30, 2014, 6:40:42 PM	Posted by TheAnuhart#4741 on Apr 30, 2014, 5:52:32 PM Quote this Post