Garena is adding skill tree resets as a micro transaction in 1.1.3. Thoughts?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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If you want to adjust your passive build during gameplay, there are Passive Skill Refund points available from quests or relatively rare items in the game that can be found or traded for. Fixing mistakes with a character build or improving small-medium sized aspects is relatively easy, but our intention is that players who want to try substantially divergent character builds are encouraged to play a new character through the game, organically leveling it up rather than just respeccing into it.

So I've pointed out before how contradictory this statement is with the ease of WTB 50 regrets in the shopping model this game is.

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Chris wrote:

This microtransaction isn't something that I would choose to add to our servers, but it's certainly not game-breakingly harmful.

Well your game page is full of shit, or you are.

Agreed.

The impression I'm getting here is that while Chris doesn't want to cross any lines himself with P2W, he's okay with letting Garena experiment with those lines. I think he specifically used the word 'experiment' because it's debatable whether or not having access to infinite untradable orbs of regret will let someone top a competitive ladder when they otherwise wouldn't have. (I should note that this decision probably didn't take into account snapshotting, which I think is going to be fixed in 1.2 anyway) The same can't be said for something like access to infinite exalted orbs. I think Chris would consider revoking Garena's permission to make this microtransaction if it turned out to be a gamechanger for competition.

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SilentOppressor wrote:

I don't think you can compare farming for alts with taking 2 minutes to create a new account. Once the 'price' of time is paid, all that's left is p2c.
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Can you get as many regrets as you want for free? No => P2W

Yes you can : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyyAxGSBr0g
Ok you can't get regret orb if you don't trade your chaos orbs with Alts/jewels/chances/aug/fus/scour or regrets.
Just take 2 minutes to think before making your build, you will end with a very high fellshrines clearing speed character.

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pneuma wrote:

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SilentOppressor wrote:

If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience?

This is much more interesting when you note that the first successful Uber Atziri kill in Invasion required respeccing in the middle of the fight.

In the presence of snapshotting, respecs give a clear advantage.

Nice catch.

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Chris wrote:

This microtransaction won't be making its way to the official GGG servers. It's only on the Garena servers (currently Singapore/Malaysia). The microtransaction cannot be traded - it lives in the mtx stash.

The points I'd like to impart are:
a) We are willing to allow Garena to experiment with microtransactions that they feel are appropriate for their audience, on their servers.
b) This microtransaction isn't something that I would choose to add to our servers, but it's certainly not game-breakingly harmful.
c) We have the ability to push back on requested changes. If they wanted to add something really harmful, then we'd disagree. They haven't asked to add anything really harmful. Other companies have asked.
d) While we can't talk about the specifics, the licensing deal with Garena has and continues to help the development resources of Path of Exile substantially.

While I don't care one bit specifically about Garena, the notion that this doesn't strike you as Pay2Win and gamebreaking, and doesn't seem to weigh on your conscience is somewhat disturbing.

Don't let this entire project slip through your fingers by way of an easy cash-out, is all. This really is the only good Arpg out there.

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Veruski wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

I'm not a bitter hanger-on, making passive-aggressive posts

this seems to be exactly what you are doing, right now, in this thread.

adding to the evidence seems to be that you barely even play the game, but post a lot instead.

that's like the definition of a bitter hanger-on.

When you can make up your own definitions of things, you can argue away anything. Must be convenient.

You have made twice the number of forum posts I have, today. I have ten times your season points. I barely even play? LOL! =^[.]^=

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Veruski wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

I'm not a bitter hanger-on, making passive-aggressive posts

this seems to be exactly what you are doing, right now, in this thread.

adding to the evidence seems to be that you barely even play the game, but post a lot instead.

that's like the definition of a bitter hanger-on.

When you can make up your own definitions of things, you can argue away anything. Must be convenient.

You have made twice the number of forum posts I have, today. I have ten times your season points. I barely even play? LOL! =^[.]^=

I always wanted to say this just one time though i don´t want to sound like a inet thug but i want to punch you in the face just one time for making those smileys, take this with a grain of salt

some people don't understand rhetorical questions.

;)

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Veruski wrote:

some people don't understand rhetorical questions.

;)

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Some people don't understand the meaning of the word 'rhetorical'.

Some people are in my signature.

Good day.

You have the word "community" in your sig. I always look down on people talking about "the community" while they are in the anon interweb.

w/e draw your worlds colorfull

[Removed by Support] I don't know if I should laugh or cry. So much drama. Anyone want some cheese to their whine? You know what most of you remind me of? People opposed to gay marriage:

"Oh noes, those two guys have a relationship and want to get married! We must forbid that, because I don't like it. Fuck them and their happiness!"

"Oh noes, those asian players have a MTX that grants a passive respec! We must forbid that, because I don't like it. Fuck them and their enjoyment of the game!"

And fuck GGG for wanting PoE to be successful in a completely different market with different player expectations and market dynamics, right?

Does anyone of you know the details about this MTX? No? Who would have thought! Perhaps you can only use one per character per month. Perhaps you can only purchase one at a time, thus preventing stockpiling. Perhaps it locks the character out of using Regrets for several weeks after. There could be some sort of drawback attached to it which NONE OF YOU KNOWS FROM THAT SINGLE FRIGGING LINE IN THEIR PATCH NOTES.

Also, I think people misinterpret this MTX as "unlimited Regrets," which the name certainly doesn't imply. My guess is that this MTX completely wipes your tree, similar to the resets characters get after significant changes to the passive tree. While it's useful for switching your build, or fixing basic flaws with it, it's incredibly inconvenient to use for aura snapshotting. Since you have to rebuild your whole build every time, you meanwhile very likely lose the ability points necessary to wear your gear, thus completely fucking up your snapshotting.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Veruski wrote:

some people don't understand rhetorical questions.

;)

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Some people don't understand the meaning of the word 'rhetorical'.

Some people are in my signature.

Good day.

some people indeed do not understand the meaning of a rhetorical question, like i originally indicated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

here is a document i found on the internet using google

i will leave it here for somebody's convenience.