Zeno's Bino's Kitchen Knife Crit ST/Reave build. 1.1.4.

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Inkompetentia wrote:

edit: wrote this tired, meant no offense on the build "building itself". The statement was limited to the skill tree, with minor things I learned (I was about to type out a statement on why the random aura effect nodes are inefficient, but doing the math --> TIL that cluster is actually pretty good!). Also didnt think of BR + Ming's. Just to clarify, the tree builds itself, but the build as a whole doesn't!



All of what you said makes sense. The tree is a little wonky, mostly because i kept updating it every couple days as i tried new things. My current tree is more similar to this currently: http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAAF4EfgSxBX0FtQX5CC4OSA_EEZYV8Ba_GL0ZjhrbG60i6iP2JDwk_SaVJ6kppStvL284ljpYO3w94kjuSVFKfUxgTipVS1bqVvVW-lpIWm1br2HiYqxnoG17cFJwVnC7cNV4rn11feN_xocZh3aH24hCjDaQG5Vml9CaE5smm42dlp2jnaqio6OKpn-nNKdcr-uxs7JEtMW1SLcXt9O4yrk-u-PAUcHFxKLN6tN-1QDWndfL2RPbbtvU3Q3e9uOE51TndOjW6xTtQe2D7g7v8PPq_Kv8xf66


I've been playing around with evasion a bit, and while i agree that it is is nice, it feels like it only really shines against reflect with the Bino's.

Because of Bino's regen each small hit mitigated by armor takes less damage, and then is instantly replenished. With evasion each hit that connects hits much harder and if my regen isn't 2k+ at that exact moment i have a chance to die.

Basically, evasion is better if you are ALWAYS killing something. It tends to fall off in 1v1 situations and against phys based spells.


They both have their merits for sure, but with my very very low life pool with my current setup, armor feels much safer. With better gear/levels i would switch to evasion and get my block much closer to cap because with high block evasion FAR out shines IR builds.


Also, as far as the AA gem for a 6th link, it's something i've been considering heavily. My preference for the 6th link are AA>LGOH>PCOC>BM.

BM would open me up more to some gear options, but i'd like to go with something more interesting. AA also has no mana multiplier, which is perfect because my mana cost on ST is very volatile without BM right now.



Overall you made great points all around.
I have continuted playing the build, but havent found any point in using LGOH yet. PCoC is also just a 115% iirc, so the mana issue shouldnt really be one. AA also helps with mana issues by not missing as much, thus leeching more consistent.

In an ideal world, that 6th L should be PCoC. In that ideal world, you have perfect jewellry, all with top tier accu rolls and high chaos res (to offset mings you would lose), and pcoc would be beast. yeah, right :P

anyway, with ondars and 8.8k eva before grace, I can safely drop grace and still not feel reflect at all. At least my 2 cwdts do actually trigger sometimes now :D
For people that did start ranger (IMO superior by far, I just used this shadow cause it needed only 15 regrets and was already lvl83, coming from Oos' reaver i did earlier in the league) its even easier to become immune to reflect, with that epic start.
Im still almost capped chance to evade on reflect cause ondars op, melee hits idc anyway. Phys spells need to be dodged, ofc.

Now Im wondering what I could replace grace with. Haste is shit, lets be real. A purity is nice, but not really a pressing issue (I might look into picking up the aura cluster above shadow once its time for atziri, maybe i can run PurLight/Fire both then, which certainly would be rather awesome)

Ill try Wrath, cant say no to the shockstacks :)
i have a bino's and im wondering it if should divine orb it to get a higher damage roll on it cus its a low increased physical damage roll, although im not sure if it is worth it because mine has a really high crit roll?
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Tubbehh wrote:
i have a bino's and im wondering it if should divine orb it to get a higher damage roll on it cus its a low increased physical damage roll, although im not sure if it is worth it because mine has a really high crit roll?


The damage isn't actually bad. I would leave it 100% the same tbh. The DPS roll is almost the same as mine now, and the crit is higher. I'd wager i got more DPS with yours
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Zeno666 wrote:
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Tubbehh wrote:
i have a bino's and im wondering it if should divine orb it to get a higher damage roll on it cus its a low increased physical damage roll, although im not sure if it is worth it because mine has a really high crit roll?


The damage isn't actually bad. I would leave it 100% the same tbh. The DPS roll is almost the same as mine now, and the crit is higher. I'd wager i got more DPS with yours
ok ty
Awesome build! Going to try this some day if I have the required gear. I wondering, can I go for full EV instead of getting iron reflex and get acrobatics?
How about a 6L Lightning coil for the chest?
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_Synergy wrote:
Awesome build! Going to try this some day if I have the required gear. I wondering, can I go for full EV instead of getting iron reflex and get acrobatics?


This would also work just fine, it just isn't my preferance atm.




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_Synergy wrote:
How about a 6L Lightning coil for the chest?



It would be really good, but you would be more pressed for resists and you might have to drop mings.
Have you killed atziri with this?

I will probably go for it on my next level up

In order to run purity of fire and lightning, ill grab charisma cluster at the cost of the bottom 1h/shield nodes at ranger. Not going to help much with spears anyway I guess, and I still have ondars and acrobatics. Going in with only 75 res + flasks is not possible i think.

Also, to whom it may concern: I figured out I was drawing blanks a lot (saw it when i ran a 0regen courtyard with manaleech instead of additional acc in the 6L. I magically cleared faster). I now dropped FA for PCOC, and it plays A LOT smoother, and clears faster. PAPER dps dropped from 15k to 13.5 with 3 charges (will pick up 4th on level up, get 5th at next one from merc bandits maybe to cap crit at 95% :D ), but it really plays a lot better. My current 6L is ST - LMP - ACCU - PCOC - CRITDMG - PHYSPROJATKDMG.

This offers the added benefit that I can swap back in FA instead of LMP on Atziri, and back again for add phase, making my dps vs atziri a lot higher (this is due to socket colors)

Why anyone should care about this, is that I actually have top tier mana roll on my rare ring and an int base amu. Its basically impossible for you not to run in the same problems with a 6L (unless you manage to get % Mana leech on gear somewhere - good luck with the requirements the build poses on jewellery already)

Clarity on Life is not an option, since 4.2k hp (my hp at 87 atm) is already ridiculously low, and I'm afraid it will be my death on tribosses in apex.

Still love to play this char atm, its such an engaging playstyle with all that manual dodging going on :)
So far I'm enjoying the build :) but I easily lose mana though. By the way when choosing/purchasing Abyssus what stats should I look for?

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