[1.2] Whaitiri's HC-viable CI Aegis Incinerator

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Enki91 wrote:

@plasticeyes: Block Chance and/or Aegis will make a significant difference against his human form. Guess until you got enough spellblock, just lure him to the lower part and interrupt his stream with the wall there. Another thing you could try out is casting Frost Wall, should have the same effect.

I'd recommend the spell damage nodes. Once you can add in ACD, it will profit from those nodes unlike from Ele Dmg nodes.

what a difference some block nodes make. just solo'ed him and really not too much trouble. i just have to stay mobile.

just for the record i'm 38% block/40% spellblock now

so you are absolutely right about the damage nodes in the tree.
with 83% spell damage from shield and wand the best thing i could do is upgrade my wand, or more importantly get a 5L so i can link in FC. i'm starting to realize the importance of FC. yes it gives higher attack speed, but more importantly it lets you build stages faster.

so i took your earlier advice and put those into defense and took nullification. i think the added EV and the elemental resistance is worth the points.

also i think the best thing to do until i get my 5L is to switch out ADL/ACD situationally, because in areas where things don't have chaos resist, the chaos damage _really_ helps.

BTW, you must have experimented with fire pen, right ? what did you find ? even taking the resists below 0, it seems to me that the added damage gems would still provide more damage.

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plasticeyes wrote:

what a difference some block nodes make. just solo'ed him and really not too much trouble. i just have to stay mobile.

just for the record i'm 38% block/40% spellblock now

so you are absolutely right about the damage nodes in the tree.
with 83% spell damage from shield and wand the best thing i could do is upgrade my wand, or more importantly get a 5L so i can link in FC. i'm starting to realize the importance of FC. yes it gives higher attack speed, but more importantly it lets you build stages faster.

so i took your earlier advice and put those into defense and took nullification. i think the added EV and the elemental resistance is worth the points.

also i think the best thing to do until i get my 5L is to switch out ADL/ACD situationally, because in areas where things don't have chaos resist, the chaos damage _really_ helps.

BTW, you must have experimented with fire pen, right ? what did you find ? even taking the resists below 0, it seems to me that the added damage gems would still provide more damage.

Glad to hear it worked :)

Just like you figured already, Fire Pen seemed like a waste. I was killing mobs faster by simply switching Fire Pen to ALD or even Iron Will. It could probably help in some situations like Atziri or probably +75% Fire Res Palace Dom, but always rechroming chest for these bosses would be silly.

I figured its better in most situations to just stack cast speed and damage adds and then weaken the enemy with Ele Weak/Proj Weak.

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Enki91 wrote:

Glad to hear it worked :)

Just like you figured already, Fire Pen seemed like a waste. I was killing mobs faster by simply switching Fire Pen to ALD or even Iron Will. It could probably help in some situations like Atziri or probably +75% Fire Res Palace Dom, but always rechroming chest for these bosses would be silly.

I figured its better in most situations to just stack cast speed and damage adds and then weaken the enemy with Ele Weak/Proj Weak.

yes, as i suspected adding levels to my gems really helped too.

i was very happy when i solo'ed Dom ! I still "cheat" and use vaal skellies- but really - it doesn't help. one fist of god and one lightning spray and the skellies are all gone. it's really just a positioning problem. my position will become "untenable", and then i just move and he comes to me. lol.
so the human form takes longer than i would like. the 2nd form is no problem at all (and wasn't the first time). just never forget to actually _equip_ your staunching flask.

rechroming would be nuts. right now my biggest potential damage boost comes from being able to link FC.
here's the other thing. i don't self cast elemental weakness. which means most of the time i run:

incinerate + LMP + added lightning + life leech and NO curse!

the only time it's ever a problem is tough bosses on maps with nasty mobs (temple piety + elemental weakness didn't work too well. LOL).

i _really_ need a 5L !

i haven't tried projectile weakness yet- that's next on my list - just to see how it works. the knockback could really be fun :-)

you know in standard i have a solaris lorica.

low life, pain attunement incinerator with a redbeak anyone ?
LOL.

p.s. BTW, that granite flask/jade flask trick is great. i would never have thought of that. my armor is 27k when i tap both of those flasks. and when that much armor is up and things are jumping on me, they suicide by molten shell. it's really fun !

hi, any1 use this build can post screen with dps with lmp and gmp

@plasticeyes: I actually ran Low Life RF Incinerate with this for some time. Tooltip DPS was close to 12k on LMP, insane damage but evry expensive and requires Shavs Ring.

@darkhalino: Have checked through my folder, unfortunately got no pics of the DPS i had. Was somewhere at 3k+ LMP tooltip.

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Enki91 wrote:

@plasticeyes: I actually ran Low Life RF Incinerate with this for some time. Tooltip DPS was close to 12k on LMP, insane damage but evry expensive and requires Shavs Ring.

yeah the shav's revelation requirement is a real drag. however, theoretically, with zealot's oath and enough regen nodes you don't _have_ to have it. but it sure would work better if you did.

sure is tempting to try and make that build on the cheap. lots of regen, solaris lorica, etc...

i'm going to theory craft on it a little, but I don't think it will work.

you'd just be too squishy, and since incinerate requires you to stand there and build stages, that's a real problem.

I can see where a more mobile build like elemental buzzsaw might definitely be able to get away with it.

meanwhile i'm working on getting my 5L. i can't wait !!

meanwhile if you actually had that build i'm amazed that you aren't still running it. it seems like quite the OP build.

@plasticeyes:

GL with your 5l!

I tried to recreate the 120pt build i've planned out for RF Incinerate back then:

It's optimized for usage with legacy Saffells and Shavs Ring, in Ambush you could make it work with RotP, Blood Dance and Blood Rage. I also had a +2 Fire Gem wand with Purity of Fire - Empower - Reduced Mana. I ultimately dropped it because i just as well only had a 5L Solaris Lorica, and Shavs was way out of reach for me.

here's a link to an incinerate/RF/low-life build discussion :

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/916016/page/1

did you ever take on jungle valley spider boss ?

was in there the other day with my friend the CoC build and we got destroyed, and he does pretty incredible damage.

very nasty map mods though. extra damage and extra fire damage.

popped the granite and the jade (27k armor!!) and died in about 2 sec. and i have 5.5k ES now...

won't try that again for a while....

Interesting, great to see you spreading the word about this build!

And i'm also shocked how underrated CI seems throughout the community. I'm playing CI since Anarchy now and don't want to go back to Life. My friend reaching Lv90 (or was it 91?) with this build in Invasion just proves how good Incinerate works with CI :D

About Jungle Valley Weaver, yes i've taken him down many times, Dual Boss, all kinds of Damage modifiers, even Ele Reflect. The only time i died was -max res +ele reflect, combined with the amount of mobs in there it instagibbed me even when taking out all supports from Incinerate.
You can find a video of this boss in the video list, it's still with the old build which had no IR, thus less Armour. Equipping Anvil helps greatly in this fight, you actually don't have to move in there ever so the Movement Speed penalty is no big deal.

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Enki91 wrote:

Interesting, great to see you spreading the word about this build!

And i'm also shocked how underrated CI seems throughout the community. I'm playing CI since Anarchy now and don't want to go back to Life. My friend reaching Lv90 (or was it 91?) with this build in Invasion just proves how good Incinerate works with CI :D

About Jungle Valley Weaver, yes i've taken him down many times, Dual Boss, all kinds of Damage modifiers, even Ele Reflect. The only time i died was -max res +ele reflect, combined with the amount of mobs in there it instagibbed me even when taking out all supports from Incinerate.
You can find a video of this boss in the video list, it's still with the old build which had no IR, thus less Armour. Equipping Anvil helps greatly in this fight, you actually don't have to move in there ever so the Movement Speed penalty is no big deal.

Happy to spread the word :-)

I forgot about the videos. I need to make sure and watch them.

Amazing. You were using daresso's courage, great shield BTW, but not obvious that it should provide that much help. But i see what's happening. you are setting up for a fight which is primarily physical damage so maximizing block without worrying about spell block.

still, why aren't you taking damage ?!! Your ES level hardly moves - it's amazing!

Some thoughts:

* I have not finished taking block nodes, so I simply need to level some more :-)

* I do not have CWS/EC/IC set-up yet (this could be much more important than i think it is). Right now my blinding flame totem is set-up instead. I will have to change that out and see what happens.

* and of course DPS. DPS. DPS. i still don't have my 5L :-(

It takes me forever to kill things relative to your build. I died to Dom again, I was being stupid and impatient, but that's because it was taking me so long to kill him. It's interesting because last time i had no trouble at all.

I am also very happy with CI, and will also have a hard time making another life build (EB is really nice though...). I've only made 2 CI toons and they have turned out very well with a minimum of trouble. I started in ambush with an empty stash for this build ! Trust me, if I can do it, anyone can. I'm not very good at this game. LOL.

Finally some questions i keep forgetting to ask:

what was your final block % ?
what was your final tooltip dps ?

again- thank you so much for all your help - i really appreciate it.